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A few questions before downloading NS7.02

Postby Lorraine » Wed 07 May, 2003 11:33 am

I used Netscape for about six years and had NS4.79 in my puter until a couple of months ago.
Presently, I am using IE 6, Win 98 Pentium 200MHZ I think, and 128 RAM I have 62% free. I can make more too. Have some junk I can remove.
I am on CABLE.

In my Win application data folder, there is a Mozilla folder and it had my old email addy, [I had to change my old email addy because of over 100 Spam emails daily].

I changed it in the Mozilla file also, (I think Moz is for email) anyway, I put my new addy there instead of the old one. It seems to have stayed. There are a few other files in there too.

I just want to know should I remove this folder. I know I shouldn't fool in Windows, but when I downloaded NS7.02 in Mar/03 it did have an email which didn't work with my ISP, one I had been using in the newsgroups and I was unable to get my email. It wasn't either of the one's I mentioned above.

I really want to use Netscape, but it will be a pain if I have to use Outlook Express, to get my email, or
my Hotmail account. By the way after all these years, I keep hearing you mention WEB mail. I have hotmail, Yahoo, my ISP, and My Netscape email accounts. Which one is Webmail, if any~ please?? lol

I was in Ramona's Solutions, what a choice, I don't know which one to use.
Streamline looks easy enough, does anyone know what I need to use? I like to fiddle in Paint Shop Pro.
So if I can't get my email or PSP, well I will forget about it and perhaps download NS4.80

TIA
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Re: A few questions before downloading NS7.02

Postby Fulvio » Wed 07 May, 2003 1:00 pm

Lorraine wrote:I used Netscape for about six years and had NS4.79 in my puter until a couple of months ago.
Presently, I am using IE 6, Win 98 Pentium 200MHZ I think, and 128 RAM I have 62% free. I can make more too. Have some junk I can remove.
I am on CABLE.

In my Win application data folder, there is a Mozilla folder and it had my old email addy, [I had to change my old email addy because of over 100 Spam emails daily].

I changed it in the Mozilla file also, (I think Moz is for email) anyway, I put my new addy there instead of the old one. It seems to have stayed. There are a few other files in there too.

I just want to know should I remove this folder. I know I shouldn't fool in Windows, but when I downloaded NS7.02 in Mar/03 it did have an email which didn't work with my ISP, one I had been using in the newsgroups and I was unable to get my email. It wasn't either of the one's I mentioned above.

I really want to use Netscape, but it will be a pain if I have to use Outlook Express, to get my email, or
my Hotmail account. By the way after all these years, I keep hearing you mention WEB mail. I have hotmail, Yahoo, my ISP, and My Netscape email accounts. Which one is Webmail, if any~ please?? lol

I was in Ramona's Solutions, what a choice, I don't know which one to use.
Streamline looks easy enough, does anyone know what I need to use? I like to fiddle in Paint Shop Pro.
So if I can't get my email or PSP, well I will forget about it and perhaps download NS4.80

TIA
-Lorraine


Lorraine,
with 128 MB and about 200 Mhz processor, you should be able to do ok, although you could use a bit available RAM. I start at 90%, but I can use up MB very quickly. But, there is no problem there, at this point.

I am confused by what you say about your "addies" (accounts). Where did you make the changes? If you want to set up your mail in 7.02, you have to do it from the Mail and News Account in Netscape Mail. You can remove old accounts, which takes them out of sight, but not off the HD.

Now one, often, missed fact is that only one SMTP is set up. If you change accounts, you have to change that. But, I think I know what is your problem. Not all mail is created equal, but I think, all Mail clients will handle POP3 accounts as well as IMAPs. But then there are propriatary accounts such a MSN, AOL, and I sure some other accounts, which require their own software to be used. As a rule of thumb, anything which is outside of the POP3/IMAP categories, if it works in OE, will not work in Netscape Mail.

All three accounts may be webmail, webmail is mail that one can get, mainly, from the website. Hotmail, being a Microsoft product, you can get through a Microsoft Mail Client. Yahoo depends on whether you pay for it or not. If you pay it should be a POP3, if you do not, it is strictly webmail. Since AOL owns Netscape, you can set up Netscape Webmail in Netscape Mail, and AOL mail, if you have an AOL account, as special IMAPs

To summarize:you cannot get Hotmail in Netscape Mail. You may be able to set up Yahoo mail, if you pay for it, and you should be able to get Netscape Webmail, as IMAPs through the Netscape IM.
My life was made easier by the fact that my Hotmail accounts was totally taken over by spam, and when I tried to sign up later to set up another account, I would have had to sign up for something unrelated.
My Netscape Webmail in Netscape Mail works when it feels like, and often causes lockups on exit, but having AOL, my wife and I set up the accounts in Netscape.

And, remember that OE is not the only option, out there. I like Eudora and Calypso mails, and I use them, at times.
So, it depends on what you want to do., and how it works best for you.

If you do not want to bother with Netscape Mail, there is the Sillydog Standalone, Streamline, and other build from DJGM and profman are also good, and allow you to set up mail. Any of these builds are available, without much in a way of plugins. If you had the program installed before Netscape 7.02, you may need to get, at least, the .dll files which link you to the programs.
As for PSP Pro, you should have no problem. I visited the jasc.com website, and they give some tips about Netscape 6, which may not be applicable to NS7.
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Postby Lorraine » Wed 07 May, 2003 2:11 pm

Hi Fulvio:

If I click on Start/Programs/Window Explorer/Windows/Application data/
I have Adobe,Identities,InterTrust,Jasc,Macromedia,Microsoft and lastly, a Mozilla folder.

It was in this Mozilla folder that I changed the profile I use with my ISP email.

When I click on Mozilla folder, it has a folder for Profiles and just an icon for registry data 1,841 KB DAT file.

There is a p4q4xxx.slt with 36 objects including Aim and my user name that I used in AIM.

BTW, I don't use AIM anymore.

Netcenter is also in there.
Cache folder is empty,
In Chrome there are 3 RDF files.
IMAP Mail [there are two]- INBOx.msf and rules.dat

In the Mail folder there are 62 objects.
The usual, Local folders, pop and my ISP's name. A few folders.

I don't have Netscape at all now so I can't go in Edit/Prefs or even open anything to see what it says....

When I use my Hotmail a/c when using NS, I use a bookmark or drop down menu which I expect to do.

I've had my Yahoo email a/c for years. I don't use it very often. I used to play bridge in there when they first started. We weren't very many in those days. BTW, Pogo is in one of the Mozilla folders.

I don't use AOL.

I would like to keep my Netscape mail.

What is the preferable media player now?

I used to use LiveUpdate, Crescendo, in fact, I still have a download in my download folder of Crescendo.
I also had real player.

Now I just have Winamp and Windows Media Player.


Unfortunately, I removed Netscape 4.79 from my D/L folder too. I should never have done that. Breaks my heart when I think of it.

I will look at Profman's and DJGM NS7.02 versions.

I would like to get an answer first about whether to remove Mozilla from Application data in Windows first tho and start really new, it's not a problem as I have all the info I need to set up my account.(As long as I do it correctly)

Is there anywhere else I should look for trails of Netscape? It's just that I have a new email addy now and I don't want to have the same problem as I did the last time I downloaded.

It doesn't take me long to download.

Thanks a lot,
-Lorraine
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Postby Fulvio » Wed 07 May, 2003 3:53 pm

Lorraine wrote:Hi Fulvio:

If I click on Start/Programs/Window Explorer/Windows/Application data/
I have Adobe,Identities,InterTrust,Jasc,Macromedia,Microsoft and lastly, a Mozilla folder.

It was in this Mozilla folder that I changed the profile I use with my ISP email.

When I click on Mozilla folder, it has a folder for Profiles and just an icon for registry data 1,841 KB DAT file.

There is a p4q4xxx.slt with 36 objects including Aim and my user name that I used in AIM.

BTW, I don't use AIM anymore.

Netcenter is also in there.
Cache folder is empty,
In Chrome there are 3 RDF files.
IMAP Mail [there are two]- INBOx.msf and rules.dat

In the Mail folder there are 62 objects.
The usual, Local folders, pop and my ISP's name. A few folders.

I don't have Netscape at all now so I can't go in Edit/Prefs or even open anything to see what it says....

When I use my Hotmail a/c when using NS, I use a bookmark or drop down menu which I expect to do.

I've had my Yahoo email a/c for years. I don't use it very often. I used to play bridge in there when they first started. We weren't very many in those days. BTW, Pogo is in one of the Mozilla folders.

I don't use AOL.

I would like to keep my Netscape mail.

What is the preferable media player now?

I used to use LiveUpdate, Crescendo, in fact, I still have a download in my download folder of Crescendo.
I also had real player.

Now I just have Winamp and Windows Media Player.


Unfortunately, I removed Netscape 4.79 from my D/L folder too. I should never have done that. Breaks my heart when I think of it.

I will look at Profman's and DJGM NS7.02 versions.

I would like to get an answer first about whether to remove Mozilla from Application data in Windows first tho and start really new, it's not a problem as I have all the info I need to set up my account.(As long as I do it correctly)

Is there anywhere else I should look for trails of Netscape? It's just that I have a new email addy now and I don't want to have the same problem as I did the last time I downloaded.

It doesn't take me long to download.

Thanks a lot,
-Lorraine


Lorraine,
I do not understand why you would want to change anything in the Application Data folder, especially if you do not have Netscape installed. And, I don't know if there is anything worth saving there. Just read this on how to do a Clean Install. I never made it to the end of a very long article, but this may be useful, if you do not care to use anything old. http://home.att.net/~cherokee67/ns67cleaninstall.html

You could start from scratch. It is very difficult to tell what people do to get into some problem. And, you may have problems with even trying, but you do not want to proceed the way you did.
If I misunderstood why you were trying to make changes in the Application Data folder, let me know.
You will need some recent version of Java, and you media programs will need a bit of assistance to work with NS7. I would not worry about them, for now.
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Postby Lorraine » Wed 07 May, 2003 6:59 pm

Fulvio:

I tried to explain, I'm sorry if you don't understand
My ISP didn't understand as they don't know a darn thing about Netscape 7.02

Perhaps they do now, seeing as the strike is over, I don't know.

I told you when I downloaded in March/2003, I was unable to receive any email from my ISP. My profile was not the one my ISP had.

That's why I changed it in Application data/Mozilla, but Only after I had removed Netscape from my puter in ADD/REMOVE.

Seems like Netscape leaves entrails all over the place, but then it might be MSN Windows 98. I don't know.

I don't know the names of all their folders or files.
I have Java also, I think it belongs to Netscape, but then again, I'm not sure.
In the Java folder, j2rel1.4.0_01 and j2rel l.4.0_03

Perhaps someone in this group knows.

When I download anything, I have a special download folder in which it goes.
I then install it usually in Programs.

Internet Explorer 5.0 came with this flipping puter.
I upgraded to IE 6.0 as well as Outlook Express 6.0

Please remember, I am not a programmer or techie.

I really didn't bother to look and see all that was in it. I am not that computer literate anyway in IE.

I looked at that page for a Clean Install this PM before I wrote in here, I even printed the page.

I thought one could just import the addresses.

I will remove Mozilla in Applications and Java.

To heck with it, if Windows doesn't work, I imagine someone will be able to fix it.
If not, I'll have more time on my hands.

Thanks anyway,
Ciao
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Postby Fulvio » Wed 07 May, 2003 11:53 pm

Lorraine wrote:Fulvio:

I tried to explain, I'm sorry if you don't understand
My ISP didn't understand as they don't know a darn thing about Netscape 7.02

Perhaps they do now, seeing as the strike is over, I don't know.

I told you when I downloaded in March/2003, I was unable to receive any email from my ISP. My profile was not the one my ISP had.

That's why I changed it in Application data/Mozilla, but Only after I had removed Netscape from my puter in ADD/REMOVE.

Seems like Netscape leaves entrails all over the place, but then it might be MSN Windows 98. I don't know.

I don't know the names of all their folders or files.
I have Java also, I think it belongs to Netscape, but then again, I'm not sure.
In the Java folder, j2rel1.4.0_01 and j2rel l.4.0_03

Perhaps someone in this group knows.

When I download anything, I have a special download folder in which it goes.
I then install it usually in Programs.

Internet Explorer 5.0 came with this flipping puter.
I upgraded to IE 6.0 as well as Outlook Express 6.0

Please remember, I am not a programmer or techie.

I really didn't bother to look and see all that was in it. I am not that computer literate anyway in IE.

I looked at that page for a Clean Install this PM before I wrote in here, I even printed the page.

I thought one could just import the addresses.

I will remove Mozilla in Applications and Java.

To heck with it, if Windows doesn't work, I imagine someone will be able to fix it.
If not, I'll have more time on my hands.

Thanks anyway,
Ciao
-Lorraine


I understood that you made changes in the Windows folder, and you are confirming it. It is irrelevant if your ISP does not know anything about NS. My ISP is just as bad. I believe that you have a misunderstanding about how Netscape works. And, you are not the exception. I see so many people reporting that they had problem, and the uninstalled and reinstalled Netscape, and nothing happened.
Of course, it would not work, because anything connected is in a separate location, in the Profile, which may very well be the entrails that you are referring to. The fact remains that if you changed your account, it should be done in the the Netscape 7.02 Mail account Wizard (the line above preferences in Mail). That is the location where you remove one account, and add another. I do not understand, from what you said that you did that
The changes in the Application Data folder will occur automatically.
Netscape just does not work the way you wanted it to work.

And, to the best of my knowledge, whatever changes you made in that folder should revert back to the original.
But, again, you can set up in Netscape only certain types of accounts.
I thought I went into great details to explain what and why.

I cannot help you any further, so go ahead, and do things the way you want them to be.
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Postby Lorraine » Thu 08 May, 2003 12:35 pm

Fulvio:

I appreciate you answering me. I really don't think you understand what I meant.
I will try once more.

My email address since 1996 was ewaxxxx@*my isp*.ca

As I was getting over 100 Spam emails per day I added
ewaxxxx@NOSPAM*my isp*.ca when I went in the newsgroups.(Notice the NOSPAM added)

Finally, what broke the camel's back, was 734 emails in one day. Another day over 600. My ISP said the email was working fine, I spoke with a Supervisor and he said it was SPAM.

Consequently, 7-8 weeks ago, I called my ISP and changed my email address.

Now about Windows/Application Data/MOZILLA.

In the mozilla folder, in the profile it was ewaxxxx@NOSPAM*my isp*.ca

What I was trying to explain to you is, that when I downloaded Netscape 7.02 ewaxxxx@*my isp*.ca picked up the ewaxxxx@NOSPAM*myisp*.ca

My ISP would not recognize it(with the NOSPAM) and therefore, I was unable to get my email. I still had to use OE.

My real addy was WITHOUT NOSPAM included in address.

That's why I removed NS7.02 from (Add/Remove)

What I did recently, since changing my address, is I also replaced it in the (Windows/application data/MOZILLA) folder with my new email address.

I know that isn't the place to change it.

I don't have Netscape at the present time.

I didn't want the NOSPAM one to go in my address.

If I can change it after download of NS7.02, that's fine with me, if it doesn't entail too much work. <g>

One reason I prefer Netscape, is I used it for a long time and I know more about it :roll:

When I type those x's in my address they are in place of letters. *my isp*.ca replaces my real ISP.

I'm sorry to bother you again Fulvio, however, you were the one that approached me to say, you would help me set up NS7.02.

I am unable to access Netcenter email.

When I read my previous message in the forum it sounds very abrupt. I really didn't mean to offend.

Thanks for your patience anyway.
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Postby Fulvio » Thu 08 May, 2003 11:02 pm

Lorraine wrote:Fulvio:


In the mozilla folder, in the profile it was ewaxxxx@NOSPAM*my isp*.ca

What I was trying to explain to you is, that when I downloaded Netscape 7.02 ewaxxxx@*my isp*.ca picked up the ewaxxxx@NOSPAM*myisp*.ca

My ISP would not recognize it(with the NOSPAM) and therefore, I was unable to get my email. I still had to use OE.

When I type those x's in my address they are in place of letters. *my isp*.ca replaces my real ISP.

I'm sorry to bother you again Fulvio, however, you were the one that approached me to say, you would help me set up NS7.02.

I am unable to access Netcenter email.

When I read my previous message in the forum it sounds very abrupt. I really didn't mean to offend.

Thanks for your patience anyway.
-Lorraine


Lorraine, it was obvious that my patience was gone, but I will try one more time. I am not offended in any way, and I hope that you are not offended as well, but I was seeing very long posts with unusual stuff in it, and getting nowhere.
And, I can see the same pattern in the other thread, which you started.
I will try to ask you some simple questions.

1.Have you changed your ISP in OE, to the same one with Nospam, etc.?

2.You said that Netscape picked up the address. Did you use the same profile which you used for your previous installation?

It is ok to add or subtract anything from your address, but you cannot change it in your Account Settings. There is still some hope, but do not be so hasty in removing programs. The program has nothing to do with all your problems. Everything ipertaining to you, bookmarks, mail address book, passwords, you name it, is in the profile.
Whatever you did is being done by so many other people, contributing to a mess.you ensue.

You could possibly save the day, in a simple way. Install 7.02, make sure that there is nothing in Preferences|Privacy. Just removed everything about passwords. Then go into mail. If ask to enter any passwords, hit Cancel. Then go to Mail Accounts Settings, and remove every account you have(they will remain on the HD, you are removing the link to the HD).
You will have to start from scratch. Enter the correct new account, and whatever SMTP you may want. This should work. You can add the nospam in the Reply to: line.
Whatever profile you have should be removed from the Profile Manager which come up when you are signing into Netscape. You will be given choices. However, don't it now. See if cleaning up the mail set up will work.

I am not even dreaming to guide into removing files. Just don't look at them. If you decide to remove the present profile before copying some key files to the new one, everything will be lost.

This is taking a ridiculous amount of time, out of me, and, I am sure out of you. So, I wish you good luck.
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Postby Lorraine » Fri 09 May, 2003 1:09 pm

Thank you Fulvio.
I seem to be doing fine with 7.02 at the moment.
I have to learn a few things again.

Sorry I nearly sent you over the edge, in fact I think if you had
been a little thinner, with all the long winded messages, you might have
been blown over :lol:

Sorry to have been such a dummy.
Thanks anyway ~

-Lorraine
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