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Postby Antony » Mon 03 Jan, 2005 8:56 pm

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Antony wrote:All Apple's PowerMacs G4 have room for more than two HDDs and up to two internal optical drive.

That's Apple old line of PowerMac computers. What about the newer G5 based PowerMac systems?
With Apple's newer PowerMac G5 series, why do you want put more than two HDDs in your desktop?

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Antony wrote:You want RAID? then buy the Xserve RAID . . .

But that's a server, not a workstation. It's not suitable for someone wanting a top end personal computer.
Connecting to a external RAID or server is very easy with PowerMac G5. For top performance, they have PCI-X for high performance connection.

If you really need server power, you should get an XServe. For power/professional users, get PowerMac G5 with dual processors and room to expand. For average (home) users, iMacG5 is the solution, it has everything you need, nothing you don't need.
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Postby Antony » Mon 03 Jan, 2005 9:02 pm

dluchini30 wrote:I think the following speaks for itself:
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XServe RAID is $6000, PC RAID controller, put in a decent x86 server, is sub-$1000. Even if you want a 64-bit server like the XServe, you're still talking less than $2000, or maybe even $1500.
Hmm, interesting. Any other details about that PC RAID? The performance and the controllers?
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Postby Mandrake » Mon 03 Jan, 2005 11:33 pm

Yeah, you can buy a motherboard for $300 AUD that will do RAID. Of course if you bought a workstation like a Dell Precision they have inbuilt RAID.

In my PC I've already exceeded the expansion that a G5 offers. I have two optical drives (16X DVD Drive, 12X DVD Burner) and two hard disks (2x 80GB Western Digital ATA 100).

Connecting to a external RAID or server is very easy with PowerMac G5. For top performance, they have PCI-X for high performance connection.


The Power Macs do not support PCI-E, which is the fastest way of connecting devices inside of your computer.

What's wrong with those video cards? "Professional" line of products are not necessary for graphic artists.


That is true, but what if someone wants to use Maya for instance? They'd definenty benefit from the added performance a Quadro or FireGL video card would offer.
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Postby Antony » Mon 03 Jan, 2005 11:40 pm

Well be back on the RAID and PCI-X or PCI-E issues later.

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What's wrong with those video cards? "Professional" line of products are not necessary for graphic artists.


That is true, but what if someone wants to use Maya for instance? They'd definenty benefit from the added performance a Quadro or FireGL video card would offer.
If those video cards are of standards, then PowerMac G5 can take them. Just add them as you might need to buy a specified graphic card for you PC.
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Postby Antony » Wed 05 Jan, 2005 12:42 am

Mandrake wrote:Just out of interest, I took a look at the latest prices at the Apple Store (Australia), and found the cheapest PowerMac for $2,699 AUD.
Thanks to Apple's price cut, the cheapest PowerMac G5 is now $2399 AUD.

Since the Dell model you quoted is not really considered as "professional" series from Dell, I would suggest to go for iMac G5, price starting at $1999 AUD
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Postby Mandrake » Wed 05 Jan, 2005 8:01 am

Confirmed: There are no Nvidia Quadro or Ati FireGL cards available for the Mac.
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Postby Petey » Fri 14 Jan, 2005 4:15 am

Andrew T. wrote:Although I use Macintosh computers infrequently, when I do I have long been impressed with their innovations, attractiveness, and ease-of-use. The G5 cube is one of the most impressive-looking computers I've seen. I must say, however, that I find dropping media to the trash can rather strange.

In Windows, Ctrl+Tab sometimes switched windows within a single application, in occasional instances like my old version of Microsoft Works.

Plug 'n Pray...er, Play, wasn't fun in Windows 95, but years ago I also used "Plug 'n Play"-compatible devices in DOS and Windows 3.1. That was no game either, although in the 16-bit world it was at least sometimes obvious of what to do in order to install drivers.

Finally, in response to the chart a couple of posts previous, I find it a little surprising how much Windows 95's OS market share has shrunk. Is this purely attributable to Microsoft's discontinue of support, and the fact that it is suspiciously absent from the published system requirements of every new piece of computer software?


1. Microsoft no longer supports it.

2. There haven't been any PC's sold with it since at least late '97 I don't believe.

3. No current software supports it, that would include Microsoft Office, Internet Explorer beyond 5.5 SP2 which you can't even download from MS anymore, and most games, you have to search the internet to find dll's, then register them with the OS before Firefox will run.

4. New hardware doesn't support it, unless you had an OEM service release of 95, you have no USB support, or partial USB 1.0 support if you downloaded the add-on, which is again, no longer available from MS.

5. It's freaking ancient, it won't deal with large amounts of RAM or newer processors very well.

I don't expect Windows 98 to lose market share as quickly as 95 because a lot of 95's flaws were ironed out and copies of Windows 98 are far more available than OEM only versions of 95.

Compared with XP, 9x's Plug and Play support is a sick joke.

95% of the time you just plug it in and it works, no hunting for drivers or anything.

I remember that "It just works" being a Mac advertising slogan, but they CAN get 100% or damn close just because they know every last piece of hardware they'll have to support.
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Postby Petey » Fri 14 Jan, 2005 4:20 am

Mandrake wrote:Yes, OS X was out before Windows XP. But Microsoft did not rush XP like Apple did with OS X - leaving out key features such as DVD and CD Writing, this is totally unacceptable IMO. Windows XP was all ready to go when launched, could run virtually any DOS or Windows application. Then, as for pricing: an upgrade version of XP Home is merely $99, compared to $129 for Panther. Then we consider that Apple releases updates virtually every year and each of these usually costs $129. Lets look at two scenarios: Joe Blow owns a Mac, he upgraded from OS 9 to OS X, and he will upgrade to every time Apple releases an update. Bob Jones owns a PC, he has Me, and upgraded to XP Home, then he will update to Longhorn Home Edition when it is released in 2005.

So, Joe Blow upgrades from OS 9 to OS X, to 10.1 (Free) to 10.2 to 10.3 to 10.4 (2004?) to 10.5 (2005?) - this means, if he pays $129 each time, he would have paid $645 to keep his Macintosh OS up to date.

Now Bob Jones upgrades to XP from Me, costs him $99. Then he upgrades to Longhorn Home in 2005 when it is released, it costs him another $99 - $645 compared to $198 to keep the OS up to date!.

If I recall, on old Macs with floppy disks, you need to use the Trash Can, as there was no eject button on the floppy disk. Although, if I wish to eject something, it's not difficult to hit the button on the cd-drive is it?

So Macs can look cool? So can PCs.
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Yes, that is ridiculous.

Not that I use XP's built in burning anyway, Nero Burning ROM is much better.

Thanks to the 3rd party software support I can probably skip over Longhorn all together and just keep using XP, if I really wanted to rice it out, I could still use my old Windows 98 system and get the basics done, now Apple can force you to upgrade cause most of the software for disc burning and the like is "in-house" and only comes with the OS, not a lot of 3rd party extensions.

I really don't see Longhorn being that important anyway.

XP gave you the VASTLY IMPROVED stability and robustness of the NT core, Longhorn will likely ONLY be added bloat.
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Postby Petey » Fri 14 Jan, 2005 4:25 am

Antony wrote:It's a convenient feature. Trash Can is not the only way to eject, there are many other methods, including from keyboard.


I can eject the CD tray from a button on my keyboard, Windows can open the CD drive, and a small driver can map the command to one of your one touch buttons, it's not that difficult. :P
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Postby Petey » Fri 14 Jan, 2005 4:28 am

Antony wrote:See, OS X is the most popular UNIX-based *sold* worldwide


Thats because Linux is equally functional and free, nobody except Apple and a few others license UNIX anymore.

In fact, I think the only thing I've ever seen Unix run on is the scanner handheld computers (Telxons) I use at work.

You remember those old Othello commercials? "In the time it takes to learn Othello, you could boil an egg, in the time it takes to master Othello you could see Haley's Comet twice"

For the Telxon 960SL with Unix 5:

"In the time it takes to learn the Telxon you could boil an egg, in the time it takes to BOOT the Telxon you could see Haley's Comet twice"

Thats not even going into how bad the Wifi drivers are for it, sometimes it takes 5 or 6 tries to link it to a printer, can we say "percussive maintainence"? :P

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Postby Antony » Fri 14 Jan, 2005 4:40 am

Petey wrote:
Antony wrote:It's a convenient feature. Trash Can is not the only way to eject, there are many other methods, including from keyboard.
The mouse does more in Mac than in Windows. Mac is a truly drag-n-drop operating system. And yes, you can do more with Apple's single button mouse.

Petey wrote:I can eject the CD tray from a button on my keyboard, Windows can open the CD drive, and a small driver can map the command to one of your one touch buttons, it's not that difficult. :P
You can't switch on, put to sleep, wake up, or shut down your Windows PC with a single touch of the power button (a touch switch) on the beautiful Apple Cinema Displays.
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Postby Antony » Fri 14 Jan, 2005 4:45 am

Petey wrote:
Antony wrote:See, OS X is the most popular UNIX-based *sold* worldwide


Thats because Linux is equally functional and free, nobody except Apple and a few others license UNIX anymore.
I am sure something is not right in that sentence.
“Linux is equally functionalâ€
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Postby Petey » Fri 14 Jan, 2005 5:02 am

Antony wrote:
Petey wrote:
Antony wrote:See, OS X is the most popular UNIX-based *sold* worldwide


Thats because Linux is equally functional and free, nobody except Apple and a few others license UNIX anymore.
I am sure something is not right in that sentence.
“Linux is equally functionalâ€
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Postby djv1 » Sun 16 Jan, 2005 4:58 pm

Ok maybe I'm not understanding something here but, why is it that you are calling people apple bashers and throwing there posts in the underground just becuase they dis apple, personally I hate apple but thats my opinion. The apple users dis PC's does it really matter??
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Postby Antony » Sun 16 Jan, 2005 5:18 pm

djv1 wrote:Ok maybe I'm not understanding something here but, why is it that you are calling people apple bashers and throwing there posts in the underground just becuase they dis apple, personally I hate apple but thats my opinion. The apple users dis PC's does it really matter??
Read their tone, and read their sole intention in SillyDog701 Message Centre.
Dislike any company is fine here, but arrogant tone is not, although softened a bit.

Plus, someone is trying very hard to hide his identity.
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