SillyDog701

[Antony]

but why buy both a games console and a Mac when you can just have a PC that does everything? This is even more true with the Windows XP Media Center PCs.

then, why does Microsoft also sell Xbox?

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[Don_HH2K]

but why buy both a games console and a Mac when you can just have a PC that does everything? This is even more true with the Windows XP Media Center PCs.

then, why does Microsoft also sell Xbox?

There will always be a market for dedicated gaming machines. The Xbox is designed exclusively for gaming, not for use as a regular server or workstation. That's why you find a 256-bit GPU in the Xbox, but not in a PC.

Besides, most gamers I know prefer a controller to a keyboard. While it's true you can hook up a Gravis gamepad to a PC, not everything is compatible with it. AFAIK, popular games like DOOM 3 and CounterStrike support joysticks but not a gamepad.

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[Antony]

Besides, most gamers I know prefer a controller to a keyboard.

That depends on the type of games, I'd say.

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[yo-yo]

Besides, most gamers I know prefer a controller to a keyboard.

That depends on the type of games, I'd say.

Maybe so, but either way, Xbox or PC is best.

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[Antony]

Besides, most gamers I know prefer a controller to a keyboard.

That depends on the type of games, I'd say.

Maybe so, but either way, Xbox or PC is best.

I thought you said "PS2" in your earlier post. Now you ditched PS2?

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[yo-yo]

Besides, most gamers I know prefer a controller to a keyboard.

That depends on the type of games, I'd say.

Maybe so, but either way, Xbox or PC is best.

I thought you said "PS2" in your earlier post. Now you ditched PS2?

No, I just said PS2 because Gridmaster mentioned playstation. I personally do most of my gaming on the computer.

But why use your Mac or any (expensive) computer for games, when there is PlayStation and other gameboxes out there for 3D.

Well, it would be cheaper to buy a PC and games than a Mac, PS2, and games.

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[Mandrake]

Why is Apple no longer shipping security updates for OS X 10.2? In an attempt to make people upgrade frequently, Apple has cut off any support for OS X 'Jaguar'. Apple still has no formal lifecycle policy for it's products. That is simply unacceptable. OS X 10.2 Jaguar is less than three years old.

People complain that Microsoft forces users to upgrade, but in fact they are far better than Apple in this regard. Windows 2000 was released in early 2000 - it's had 5 1/2 years of mainstream support (this ends soon), and there is extended support (security fixes mainly) until 2010.

Simply, shame on Apple for forcing Mac owners to upgrade their OS to stay current with security updates.

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[yo-yo]

Why is Apple no longer shipping security updates for OS X 10.2? In an attempt to make people upgrade frequently, Apple has cut off any support for OS X 'Jaguar'. Apple still has no formal lifecycle policy for it's products. That is simply unacceptable. OS X 10.2 Jaguar is less than three years old.

People complain that Microsoft forces users to upgrade, but in fact they are far better than Apple in this regard. Windows 2000 was released in early 2000 - it's had 5 1/2 years of mainstream support (this ends soon), and there is extended support (security fixes mainly) until 2010.

Simply, shame on Apple for forcing Mac owners to upgrade their OS to stay current with security updates.

I get the impression that Apple is getting desparate. No matter what Mac fans say, Apple says that its system can do things it can't, charges the $129 fee each year, and tries to cover many facts about itself. One example is Steve Jobs. The "official" biography can be found here. A more complete biography can be found here. When I read Apple's bio, I noticed that they didn't include any of his childhood, where he made "blue boxes" (used for hacking a phone line for free long-distance calls). Sure, they don't have to mention it, but it makes me wonder what else they don't tell.

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[Subir]

It's been a long time since I said anything in this post (as a matter of fact I can't even find it)!

I bought my first ever Mac in February of this year (PowerBook G4 1.67ghz 17"). I really splashed out to get it and to be quite honest I'm less that impressed.

The ease of use is not that much better than Windows XP. Fine, the speed and security might be better but that is it. I can hardly even install any applications. The speed and security stuff can be sorted out anyway with some freeware of the web.

The Mac is a posh designed product with a different OS that may be simpler, but to me it is just like toy town.

I am going to buy a PowerMac when the Intel version comes out so I can dual boot with Windows.

If Microsoft get the speed and security stuff fixed it will be a good OS. Vista looks very promising and is very "lickable".

PS next on my shopping list is a WinXp Media center system...

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[Antony]

I can hardly even install any applications.

There are a lot of applications written for Mac, just not easily to be found.

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[Subir]

I can hardly even install any applications.

There are a lot of applications written for Mac, just not easily to be found.

Do you by any chance know where I can find these apps, Ant?

Thanks Ant!

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[DJGM]

Mac OS X Downloads site (Apple) or VersionTracker.com are good places to start . . .

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[Antony]

It is cheaper to own a Mac than owing a Windows PC.

(thanks to Jean-Philippe for telling me this article.)

Based on this Mac vs WinTel Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) and Winn's calculation (stylesheet)

for small enterprises.

initial cost:
WinTel: US$2466 to $3423
Mac: US$2538 to $2756

subscriptions/updates cost per year
WinTel: US$188 to $650
Mac: US$13 to $113

total costs of ownership (3 years)
WinTel: US$5189 to $7533
Mac: US$3475 to $3994

In short, it's a lot cheaper to use Macs for your organisation. Switch now!

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[DJGM]

What about organisations that have to rely on apps that are written only for Windows, with no Mac OS X
version or equivalent? You can't expect them to switch to Mac, and run their vital apps in Virtual PC.

They would either have to wait for their important apps to become Mac OS X compatible, or wait for the
availability of Intel based Macs that are Windows compatible. The former may never happen, and the
latter isn't yet possible without taking risky, time consuming procedures to hack the firmware,
which may not work and could even cause irreparable damage.

Essentially, for some organisations, switching to Mac is simply NOT an option. And organisations
definitely WON'T switch from PC to Mac, just because an Apple extremist says they should.

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[Antony]

What about organisations that have to rely on apps that are written only for Windows, with no Mac OS X version or equivalent? You can't expect them to switch to Mac, and run their vital apps in Virtual PC.

A number of organisations use customised software/system, they simply need to ask for Mac OS X version of the software.

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