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by **Mandrake** » Thu 10 Jun, 2004 10:59 pm

We finally got ADSL in here, it's so fast! I could never go back to dialup Internet now

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by **djv1** » Thu 10 Jun, 2004 11:33 pm

must be nice, I wish that I could get ADSL or DSL, dial up sucks :!:

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by **Antony** » Thu 10 Jun, 2004 11:52 pm

Congratulations!

What's your speed? and which company you go with?
Swiftdsl? iiNet?

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by **Mandrake** » Fri 11 Jun, 2004 12:22 am

Thanks Antony.

We've got 512Kbit ADSL, with iiNet.

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by **Antony** » Fri 11 Jun, 2004 12:27 am

Mind telling me which plan you sign on with?

Again, congratulations. Now, you can download more Antony's desktop in action :-)

part 3 coming soon!

remember... don't leech :-)

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by **Mandrake** » Fri 11 Jun, 2004 12:47 am

The Bliink 512k+ Lite plan. 8GB of downloads a month.

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by **DJGM** » Fri 11 Jun, 2004 7:00 am

Mandrake wrote:We've got 512Kbit ADSL, with iiNet.

I've got the 1Mbps package from ntl:home (the UK's biggest cable company) which will be
getting a 50% speed boost, later this summer (no extra charge) increasing it to 1.5Mbps.

Mandrake wrote:The Bliink 512k+ Lite plan. 8GB of downloads a month.

8GB of downloads per month . . . is that all?!? I get 1GB worth of downloads per day on mine!

Seriously though, (having just done the math) that limits you to about 237MB of downloads
per day, and IMHO, having that kind of limitation imposed on your service, totally defeats
the purpose of having a broadband internet service in the first place!

Supposing you want to download ISO's of the newest Linux distros? Since most Linux ISO's
weigh in at 600-700MB each, this is one "broadband benefit" that would be denied to you.

TBH, I personally wouldn't stand for that at all . . . !

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by **Antony** » Fri 11 Jun, 2004 7:13 am

8GB for downloads is a lot, trust me.
I don't leech.
(and I don't trust BitTorrent.)

I am on a 16GB plan, but my previous monthly downloads were never go over 1.5GB (per month), except when I download FreeBSD ISOs.

When I joined, I was in 512/128, 8GB plan for AU$65/mo, now, this plan would cost $69/mo with daytime and night time limits. They upgraded me to 16GB without me paying more :-)

DJGM wrote:Seriously though, (having just done the math) that limits you to about 237MB of downloads
per day, and IMHO, having that kind of limitation imposed on your service, totally defeats
the purpose of having a broadband internet service in the first place!

Well, broadband is not for unlimited downloads, not for leeching. Do you know how much AOL Broadband charge for 1000MB, 2000MB or 5000MB per month?

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by **Phoenix21692** » Fri 11 Jun, 2004 8:18 am

In the U.S., AOL charges approximately $25.00 (U.S.) a month for broadband. You can read about it here: http://www.aol.com/price_plans/index.adp . As for my Ethernet connection, it's based on the University's network. Since I don't get charged for that, I have no worries.. Not only that, sometimes the download speed here goes up to 5MB/sec. That way, I can download countless numbers of Linux ISOs, which is priceless.

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by **DJGM** » Fri 11 Jun, 2004 8:52 am

Leeching? If you're referring to obtaining commercial software via "P2P" programs such as the
likes of KaZaaLite and LimeWire, well TBH, that's pretty much the internet equivalent of theft.

Meanwhile, downloading the ISO files of Linux distributions is not stealing/leeching. Anyone
that has a suitably fast internet connection is legally entitled to do this if he/she pleases.

Broadband should not have any unrealistic restrictions imposed. When ntl:home introduced
a 1GB per day cap on their broadband service, their was uproar, since ntl:home originally
advertised broadband as an unlimited service. The protest website anticap.co.uk was
setup, and is still going strong today . . .

The following text is from the Anticap website . . .

AntiCap grew out of the spontaneous protests of users following ntl:home (part of the
ntl group) announcing the imposition on its NTLworld broadband customers a daily
download limit of 1Gigabyte. This restriction, was imposed on 7th February 2003,
and is commonly referred to as "the cap".

ntl:home originally promoted their broadband service as "unlimited use" and "always
on". For the fastest connection speeds they also marketed these as "suitable for
heavy users and those wishing to make large downloads". Many users are now,
or will potentially be, unable to use their connection to its potential due to the
cap. At the fastest service speed available (1Mbps), users downloading at full
speed could use their limit in around 2.5 hours (ntl:home's other service
speeds are affected by a less severe time factor), a big reduction from
an always on, unlimited use service!

The following is also from AntiCap, and is part of a long article explaining why download
restrictions can affect certain legitimate uses of a fast broadband internet service . . .

FACT or FICTION?
The Legitimate uses of Large Residential Download Bandwidth

There is an assumption that those who regularly exceed a 1GB data download
per day threshold must be file sharing (P2p) or downloading pirated music or
software. Inevitably, in the case of some users, that will be true. It must
however be stressed that there are many legitimate uses for exceeding
the 1GB limit, within the constraints of a residential use service.

The following is not an exhaustive listing of all possible uses. It does
however easily demonstrate a use for unlimited download ability.

Streaming Media

As the internet becomes more accessible, more and more users move to broad-
band connections, more broadband enabled content will come online.

Even sites such as bbc.co.uk rely on broadband, both for speed but also data
transfer capacity to facilitate transfer of the larger graphics, audio and video
content. Specialist video streaming services already exist, these not only
supply music videos such as available through Launch.com or RealOne.

Subscription services are now available for films, both modern and classic. All not
only utilise the connection speed as well as broadband's download capacity.

Many online radio services are often low quality, initially designed for modem
type use. However many broadband reliant services are now available, such
as that from virgin radio, and in time these are likely to increase in number.

Later in the same article . . .

Music purchases

Music downloads are available from legitimate sources, as well as the less
orthodox. Why should you have to go to the local shop when you can buy
on line the latest MP3 single of your favourite bands, and watch the
promotional video while youâ€™re at it? Even NTL promote the MP3
service "Whippit" through advertising on their site.

I was going to quote the entire article, but it's a bit too long. Go here, to see the rest
of this article, explaining reasons why download restrictions are unacceptable,
and should not be imposed on any broadband internet service.

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by **Mandrake** » Fri 11 Jun, 2004 9:00 am

My ISP has a huge ftp site, with mirrors of stuff like Redhat's entire FTP server - anything downloaded from that, or within WAIX is not counted towards the download limit.

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by **beanboy89** » Fri 11 Jun, 2004 9:10 am

You will find browsing the interent buch faster with broadband. I was on dialup until last year when my family got a cable modem, and now we are connected to the internet all of the time.

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by **Antony** » Fri 11 Jun, 2004 9:22 am

DJGM wrote:Leeching? If you're referring to obtaining commercial software via "P2P" programs such as the
likes of KaZaaLite and LimeWire, well TBH, that's pretty much the internet equivalent of theft.

What I meant by â€œleechingâ€

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by **djv1** » Fri 11 Jun, 2004 10:57 am

Antony wrote:
Let me repeat again,
1. broadband is not designed for unlimited downloads;
2. broadband is not designed for leeching.
I believe we both agree on those two points.

it is good for downloading software though, it takes forever on dial-up

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by **Don_HH2K** » Sat 12 Jun, 2004 7:13 am

Mandrake wrote:We've got 512Kbit ADSL, with iiNet.

512KbPS might be fast compared to dial-up, but it's nothing when you consider that I'm getting 4.5MbPS on ADSL here.

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