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Can't Do in Netscape, Can Do in MS-IE

Postby FrankoSport » Tue 24 Aug, 2004 6:03 pm

Greetings ...

Using both Netscape AND MS-Internet Explorer, click-on the link below--

MOTF - Matters of the Force

In Netscape, you get just a GIF screenshot image of a wb page. BUT IT IS NOT A WEB PAGE - No Links, No Copyable Text - It's just an Image.

In MS-IE, you get a standard web-page, with copyable text and clickable links.

When I do a "View Source" in Netscape, the information suggests that the page was created using Microsoft Word and/or something called "XML"

If anyone can suggest a way for Netscape to view the page as MS-IE does, then please post here.
UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax)
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Postby Wellander » Tue 24 Aug, 2004 6:19 pm

Hi,
It looks fine for me in Netscape.
If fact I can not see a difference.
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Postby Al » Tue 24 Aug, 2004 7:12 pm

They probaly blocked other browsers, but not IE. MS Word 2000 and it is old software. it not a good choice to use on a web page.
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<head>
<meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<meta name=ProgId content=Word.Document>
<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 9">
<meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 9">
<link rel=File-List href="./index_files/filelist.xml">
<link rel=Edit-Time-Data href="./index_files/editdata.mso">
UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040803 Firefox/0.9.3
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Postby FrankoSport » Tue 24 Aug, 2004 8:07 pm

Greetings ..

Just went from a PC using Windows 98-Netscape 7.2 PC to one using Windows XP-Netscape 7.1

On the XP-7.1 unit, the MOTF link gives me a blank screen! No Image! No Links! No Text! No Nothing! Nada! Zilch-0!

Hello to Forum Member Al ---

You were displaying some code from the MOTF page. I was curious as to what that meant. Also, if MS Word 2000 is a bad choice for web-page design, what are some alternatives? Maybe I could pass them along to the MOTF Web-Mistress.
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Postby akbash » Tue 24 Aug, 2004 10:18 pm

The code Al quoted was just header information describing the software used to write the web page. And Oh, wow, it's Microsoft Word. Somebody used Word to write a document and then used Save As Web Page to make Wordified HTML out of it.

Now Word makes Horrible HTML with capital Hs all around. But it's usually serviceable. This particular example isn't particularly serviceable because Word has decided that everything on the page is a kind of VML. Meaning that it's spitting out a seldom-seen cousin of HTML that's meant to describe vector graphics. I'm not certain about Mozilla's support for VML, but I'm guessing it's not very good.

I suspect there's "some setting" in the Word source document that encourages it to write VML when it really wanted HTML. Something that tells it the document is all graphical information. It will probably do a better job of making serviceable HTML if you can find a way to turn that off. We're way out of my Word League at this point, so better hints aren't forthcoming from me.

There are many HTML editing applications available. Some are free. I'd encourage the MOTF webmistress to look into her options. Anybody have a good recommendation? Personally I use vi. Ain't gonna recommend that.
UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0; H010818; T312461)
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Postby Antony » Tue 24 Aug, 2004 10:34 pm

FrankoSport wrote:On the XP-7.1 unit, the MOTF link gives me a blank screen! No Image! No Links! No Text! No Nothing! Nada! Zilch-0!
Tested with Safari, Mozilla 1.7, and Netscape 7.2, I can see image, links and text.

Have you adjusted the setting in your Netscape, such as disallow using site specified CSS or anything else.

Try [tt]shift[/tt] + [tt]Reload[/tt].
UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/125.4 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/125.9
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Postby akbash » Tue 24 Aug, 2004 10:55 pm

Antony wrote:Tested with Safari, Mozilla 1.7, and Netscape 7.2, I can see image, links and text.
Really? It doesn't work at all in this one day old browser:
UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8a3) Gecko/20040823 Firefox/0.9.1+
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Postby Antony » Tue 24 Aug, 2004 11:08 pm

akbash wrote:
Antony wrote:Tested with Safari, Mozilla 1.7, and Netscape 7.2, I can see image, links and text.
Really? ...
OS X version. I haven't got time to launch Windows.
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Postby Fulvio » Wed 25 Aug, 2004 12:03 pm

Antony, where would one do the settings adjustment? My problem, and I am sure everyone else has no clickable links. And, if I context-click on the text, I get nothing but Image stuff.
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Postby Al » Wed 25 Aug, 2004 2:12 pm

I got an image too. I tried [tt]Shift+Reload[/tt] but no luck
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Postby DJGM » Wed 25 Aug, 2004 2:26 pm

Since it's not a complex layout or design on the website in question, I'd advise redoing the site
in a program called Nvu, which is based upon Mozilla Composer, rather than using MS Word.

Nvu is completely free, and can be downloaded from Nvu.com for Linux and Windows.
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