SillyDog701

[Don_HH2K]

Please use [sdt=10269]Donzilla 0.8 Final Released[/sdt] for downloading Donzilla 0.8 final and discussion on Donzilla 0.8 (final).

I think I took "speed coding" to a whole new level just now.

I started at around 7:00PM, and now at 10:00PM I have two Donzilla builds that were redesigned from the ground-up. Why from the ground up? It turned out that using files dating back to Donzilla 0.5 caused a problem with the NSS/Crypto libraries here in 1.7.12 (remember that 0.5 was based on 1.7.2).

Anyway, 0.8 PR1 as aforementioned has a flat chrome, which resulted in speed increases and a smaller program. The archives are roughly 1MB smaller for both the Windows and Linux builds (both are around 13MB).

Everything has been updated to what I believe to be the latest versions. Two new additions to this release include Forumzilla and MAF. Forumzilla adds RSS support in Mail and Newsgroups. MAF, short for Mozilla Archive Format, is much like Microsoft's MHT format except it compresses files using ZIP, which creates smaller archives. You can archive tabs as well. The SillyDog701 Sidebar and HH2K Sidebars are included. Also, the preferences for new profiles have been updated: there are now a new set of bookmarks and a new set of sidebar tabs, neither of which will override existing profiles. You should be able to select the HH2K or SD701 Sidebars from within the Sidebar Tabs dropdown (although I have not checked this outside of my own profile, so it may not work right).

There are a few bugs that I know of in PR1, that will be scheduled for fixing in 0.8 Final. I still have yet to work in the updated Chatzilla CSS style or make the start page internal. I haven't tested the Linux build at all so don't count on it to be 100% working. The Windows build, however, works fine.

Download links:

• Donzilla 0.8PR1 for Windows NT4 SP4 or higher and Windows 95 OSR2.5 or higher. ~11.7MB self-extracting, needs Windows Installer 2.0.
• Donzilla 0.8PR1 for Linux 2.2.14+, needs GTK2 and BZIP2-compliant dearchiver. ~12.8MB manual install

For 0.9 I am hoping to reverse-engineer the Linux installer that Netscape 4.x used so that users can easily install Donzilla on Linux machines.

I started at around 7:00PM, and now at 10:00PM I have two Donzilla builds that were redesigned from the ground-up.

Hmm, maybe my history teacher was right when he said, "Don, there's another species out ther called 'girls'. Find one." Good laughs from my entire History class there.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 Donzilla/0.8 PR1 (WML/1.3)

[Pu7o]

PLEASE, don't. Installers are something that Linux users are pratically trained to hate. Trust me, you don't want to do that

UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; X11; Linux ppc; en) Opera 8.5

[Antony]

Download links:

• Donzilla 0.8PR1 for Windows NT4 SP4 or higher and Windows 95 OSR2.5 or higher. ~11.7MB self-extracting, needs Windows Installer 2.0.
• Donzilla 0.8PR1 for Linux 2.2.14+, needs GTK2 and BZIP2-compliant dearchiver. ~12.8MB manual install

And the build for our beloved platform - Mac OS X?

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/412.7 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/412.5

[Pu7o]

It's not going to be easy for him to create a Mac OS X build without being able to open the mozilla .dmg (Only Mac OS X can open .dmg files)

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.4; Linux 2.6.12-9-powerpc; X11; ppc; en_US) KHTML/3.4.2 (like Gecko) (Debian package 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu7)

[Don_HH2K]

If you recall, we've tried that many a time, and all those times it hasn't worked. Why? You just can't do things like that on Windows, like you can for *NIX platforms.

In other news, I really need to download Portable Firefox here at school and stick it on my My Documents folder on the NAS. I don't like using IE even if it's only for educational purposes...

UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)

[Pu7o]

Just installed a fresh Donzilla 0.8 PR1 under my Windows Server 2003 Web Edition laptop, with no Mozilla/Netscape installed previously, and the SD701 link on the bookmarks toolbar points to mozillazine. Might want to fix that

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.2; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 Donzilla/0.8 PR1 (WML/1.3)

[Ron Williams]

Just installed a fresh Donzilla 0.8 PR1 under my Windows Server 2003 Web Edition laptop, with no Mozilla/Netscape installed previously, and the SD701 link on the bookmarks toolbar points to mozillazine. Might want to fix that

I had donzilla 0.7 installed before I installed Donzilla 0.8 PR1, when I opened it, I had no problem. I did not even find a link to SD701. Below is my favorites toolbar, notice the theme is changed.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 Firefox/1.0.7

[DJGM]

Download links:

• Donzilla 0.8PR1 for Windows NT4 SP4 or higher and Windows 95 OSR2.5 or higher. ~11.7MB self-extracting, needs Windows Installer 2.0.
• Donzilla 0.8PR1 for Linux 2.2.14+, needs GTK2 and BZIP2-compliant dearchiver. ~12.8MB manual install

And the build for our beloved platform - Mac OS X?

Our beloved platform? Mac OS X may be a great OS, but it's not something to worship!

Anyway, that's off topic, but not beside the point. It would be nice to see a version of Donzilla
for Mac OS X, especially since I currently have no access to Windows or Linux at the moment.

There's one important thing Don needs to create any Donzilla builds for Mac OS X . . . a Mac!
And not just to build it, but to test it as well, before releasing it. Trouble is, while it's easy
for some of us to get a Linux OS up and running alongside Windows, a seperate
computer is needed to be able to run Mac OS X.

Even if a dodgy copy of Mac OS X for Intel was in use, even that would be better off run on
a seperate PC. Obviously, we neither condone or recommend that, so let's not go there!

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8b4) Gecko/20050910 SeaMonkey/1.0a

[Don_HH2K]

Well, that is the bad part of trying to code this thing when I am tired. Will fix the package before I make this release publically known and all. Sorry to Antony for making his forum link point to MozillaZine -- it will be corrected as soon as I possibly can.

Ronnie, the reason you have the same bookmarks are because you're not installing with a new profile. The defaults in there are only if you don't have previous bookmarks and settings, because I don't want to overwrite the bookmarks people already have. And some people get mad at "amending" bookmark files via JS.

As DJGM said, I'd either need an external developer to get a Mac build, or I'd need to get an entire Mac. I personally like to supervise what's happening so I'd rather not get somebody to build it for me, and a Mac is too expensive. I know I don't need a good one, but space is a big concern; the cheapest Mac laptop out there would still probably be out of my reach...

I don't know if you remember the time we tried to make a Mac OS X build of Donzilla. It ran, but it opened inside Terminal so that you couldn't do anything with it.

I suppose I could rig an XPInstall script (a huge one at that) to dump all the necessary files onto a Mozilla build that the user would download him/herself, but by my guess, that would take a lot of time to do.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 Donzilla/0.8 PR1 (WML/1.3)

[Pu7o]

Don, but if you remember, i managed to fix that easily. The problem is that under Mac OS X, carbon apps like mozilla need to be inside a specially organized .app folder. Otherwise strangely, OS X will completely refuse to give focus to the window for some unknown reason.

Replying to DJGM's topic, there in fact IS an (illegal) copy of Mac OS X for Intel, however it requires at least a Pentium 4 to run, and it's specially sluggish under VMware (I tried it myself). And let's not forget that it's illegal.

UserAgent: Opera/8.50 (Windows NT 5.2; U; en)

[Don_HH2K]

Pu7o, I'm aware of that message, but I believe that the organization of that .app folder inevitably retains information that specifically references the program as "Mozilla" and not "Donzilla". I can't edit these files under Windows because they appear to be using a wierd file type that is not easily human-readable. Other than that, though, I can't see any reason why a Mac build wouldn't be possible. I'm just saying, it's a hell of a lot easier to develop Windows and *NIX builds than it is to develop Mac builds.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 Donzilla/0.8 PR1 (WML/1.3)

[Antony]

Download links:

• Donzilla 0.8PR1 for Windows NT4 SP4 or higher and Windows 95 OSR2.5 or higher. ~11.7MB self-extracting, needs Windows Installer 2.0.

The Windows version is in [tt].msi[/tt] extension? Safari appends [tt].txt[/tt] at end of [tt].msi[/tt] automatically.

What is the correct MIME Type for [tt].msi[/tt]. I think the MIME for [tt].msi[/tt] should be added to the server. (To add MIME type to the server, simply use append the [tt].htaccess[/tt] file. Note editing/looking [tt].htaccess[/tt] file is completely [sdp=63893]ethical[/sdp].)

As for creating a build for Mac OS X, the platform we shall worship, there are ways to do that without using a real Mac or illegal copy of Mac OS X, including opening the [tt].dmg[/tt] file. I will need to contact Bob (of MozTW) for detail.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/412.7 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/412.5

[Don_HH2K]

.msi extensions are Windows Installer packages. There are EXE bootstrappers for these, but I can't manage to find one. Basically an MSI file is a compressed archive of a CAB datafile and an XML table that with info on the archive. They run under Windows Installer (the archiver I use requires Windows Installer 2.0 or higher, the latest version is 3.1). Consider these the Windows equivelant of a Mac .dmg file.

I'm not aware that msi files have MIME types. The problem must be that Safari displays files without MIME types as text. But, with no MIME type, I don't think that there's a way around this. Other browsers don't do this, though, they just download the file as a file of the type application/octet-stream which I believe is the default for files with no MIME type. But all Safari's going to do is show you binary data if that's what it does to MSI files.

Out of curiosity why are you downloading an MSI file to Mac anyway? It's just about as pointless as downloading a DMG file to Windows like I am trying to do

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 Donzilla/0.8 PR1 (WML/1.3)

[Antony]

I'm not aware that msi files have MIME types. The problem must be that Safari displays files without MIME types as text. But, with no MIME type, I don't think that there's a way around this. Other browsers don't do this, though, they just download the file as a file of the type application/octet-stream which I believe is the default for files with no MIME type. But all Safari's going to do is show you binary data if that's what it does to MSI files.

Well, the server does not specify the MIME type, and [tt].msi[/tt] is not one of the default ones in Safari... so Safari appends [tt].txt[/tt]. Or the situation could be even worse, the server sends out the .msi in ASCII transmission instead of binary (I haven't verified this yet).

Out of curiosity why are you downloading an MSI file to Mac anyway? It's just about as pointless as downloading a DMG file to Windows like I am trying to do

I have Virtual PC 7 for Mac (licensed copy). Not fast, but works.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/412.7 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/412.5

[Don_HH2K]

Try downloading under VirtualPC then?

ASCII conversion isn't the problem, because I can download it fine, and apparently a few others can too.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 Donzilla/0.8 PR1 (WML/1.3)