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by **davkel** » Mon 24 Jul, 2006 11:32 am

I have installed Firefox 1.5.0.4, and done the default loading of IE7 Beta 2 settings. In Outlook Express, clicking anything in the preview pane opens my Documents and Settings folder instead of the link I clicked on. Restoring back to before Firefox installation establishes normal operation again, and links work as they should. In OE7 Beta 2 I don't have this problem, although I do have a small issue with EZMacros. I want to use Firefox, mainly because I hear it is bombproof, so what is happening?

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by **Fulvio** » Mon 24 Jul, 2006 11:39 am

I think that this is IE7 issue, and should be posted in the Windows group.
That is why I am not going to get anywhere near IE7.

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by **davkel** » Mon 24 Jul, 2006 1:00 pm

Thanks Fulvio
I think if I went to the IE7 group, they would likely tell me it is a Firefox issue, don't you think, especially as the problem doesn't arise under IE7, and goes away when I uninstall Firefox. I understand it is acceptable to run both.

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by **James** » Mon 24 Jul, 2006 1:16 pm

Could you elaborate on the problem a bit more? It's sounding like the beta version of Outlook (from Office I'm assuming) is being mixed up with Outlook Express. Or have you mixed up the beta version of Internet Explorer with Outlook's beta? I'm a bit confused whether you're having problems with the beta browser or the beta email client from MS.

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by **davkel** » Mon 24 Jul, 2006 6:59 pm

I am using IE7 Beta2, as I said. This presumably brings its version of Outlook Express, although there are no apparent differences in OE. I do not use Outlook at all, and never have. I have not installed any recent Office versions, and I still use Office 2000, which works well. I have XP Pro SP2 with all the current updates.

When I installed Firefox, it offered me an update, which I accepted. It seemed to function well enough, until I tried to open a link in the preview pane of Outlook Express, as I have done a million times before. The same left click I have always applied now gave me my Documents and Settings folder, and when I tried other links in e-mails, again I got the Docs and Settings folder.

I restored the machine back to a date a week previously, before I had installed Firefox, and the links behaviour returned to normal. When I downloaded and installed Firefox again, the links gave me my Docs and Settings folder once more. So I removed Firefox again, and the behaviour once more returned to normal.

The conclusion I draw from this is that Firefox is causing the problem, not IE or OE or Outlook or Office or anything else that may have been on my machine for years. It seems perverse to look for problems with other programs, when all the evidence points to Firefox's being the culprit. It may be that Firefox cannot live with the IE7 Beta2, so it would be helpful to know if anyone else has this Beta installed with Firefox. I could try Firefox on another machine with XP Home and IE6, but I am reluctant to do this while it is apparently under suspicion, as I don't want two machines not working properly.

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by **James** » Mon 24 Jul, 2006 11:01 pm

Yes, I have IE 7 beta 3 and Firefox. Both operate without bothering the other so I'm confused as to why you are experiencing these problems. IE 7 is a standalone browser and does not come with its own version of Outlook Express. In fact, I've made Thunderbird my default email so that when I'm in IE 7 and hit the mail button in the tool bar, Thunderbird opens without a hitch. Firefox is not the culprit, davkel. I think you're going to need more expert advice than I can offer. Hopefully someone will be along shortly.

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by **davkel** » Tue 25 Jul, 2006 9:22 am

Thanks for that. I guess you wouldn't have any problems with Firefox and Outlook Express if you don't use OE. There must be some kind of interaction between Firefox and OE since the installation of FF causes aberrations in OE, whereas IE7 Beta 2 doesn't. I didn't mean OE comes with IE, merely that it runs with a browser of one sort or another.

However, I have now done my third installation of Firefox, and glory be, this time it does not interfere with OE and the links work as they should. Third time lucky. Not altogether surprising, since when ME first appeared, I had to install it six times before the thing would work. Maybe Firefox is tarred with the same brush. I'm sure we all have had similar problems with new programs that eventually work well. Ever since my ZX81, I have marvelled that anything works at all, considering the innumerable opportunities for things to go wrong with thousands or millions of lines of code.

I didn't know IE7 Beta3 was out - I'll get that, and see if it deals with my problem with EZMacros.

Thanks to all.

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by **Fulvio** » Tue 25 Jul, 2006 9:59 am

You mentioned an update from FF, before, without specifying which update. The latest release of Firefox is 1.5.0.4, which has been out for several months. One can use an incremental update, or just do a new installation, and to be on the safe side, uninstalling the previous version, first. This is especially true of an unusual situation with a program which is partially part of the operating system, and still under development.
I have been using incremental updates, and will use them, until they fail. Firefox1.5.0.5 should be coming out any time, but like the previous 1.5.0.x, it will be, mainly, a security update. As far as I have learned IE7 beta2 left out any reference to mail, and, surely would not come with OE. I have been using OE with my Firefox with no problem, although Thunderbird is my default mail client.
I would expect that IE7 betax be tested with OE, and, any anomaly be ascribed to the fact that we are dealing with a new program which is a standalone browser, but also part of the OS. As such, I would expect that IE7 beta is the source of any abherration. As for other programs, they may have to change to work properly with the new system. I don't even want to think about Microsoft Vista!

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by **davkel** » Tue 25 Jul, 2006 12:37 pm

Hi Fulvio. The update for FF was offered after my first installation, and I took it without noting the number, if any. Slightly surprising, since I had only just downloaded the program. No stipulations re closing stuff were made, and as far as I know, it went according to plan. It's academic, really, as I uninstalled FF later (twice), and the update was not offered again. Sulking, perhaps.

I have had a traumatic afternoon, because I foolishly downloaded the IE7 Beta3 whilst in FF, and found myself in a loop which said I must either complete the download or remove the existing IE, neither of which was possible. In the end, I had FF, IE7 Beta2, and apparently two copies of IE6, all lurking in the machine. I then did a cleanup with CCCleaner, and a restore, plus other stuff, and eventually was able to download Beta3 which is now running. I have not reinstalled FF, and I think I'll wait a while, since all this faffing about is not good for my health. The temperature here (eastern England) is 93F, and my office is not airconned. IE7 works perfectly well, anyway, and seems to be just as fast as FF. As we all know, speed on the net is more dependent on what else is going on rather than anything on the computer. It doesn't cause any problems with OE, anyway.

Thanks for your interest.

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by **Fulvio** » Tue 25 Jul, 2006 1:03 pm

Just a question. I was told that Microsoft left out a link to Mail in its Tools list, in the the first two betas. I was also told that a lot of people asked why, and it was going to be restored. Is the link to Mail in beta3?
Just go on slowly. Heat and computers, period, don't get along too well. And, use only what you wish.
I had a problem, but, fortunately, my AC works. And also fans are on. We expect a cool 92, today!

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by **jjssparkle** » Fri 28 Jul, 2006 4:12 pm

Fulvio wrote:Just a question. I was told that Microsoft left out a link to Mail in its Tools list, in the the first two betas. I was also told that a lot of people asked why, and it was going to be restored. Is the link to Mail in beta3?

Yes, Microsoft included a mail link in the 'customize toolbar command' in IE beta 3.

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