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Fourteen Years with Mozilla Ends

Postby James » Sun 02 Jan, 2011 11:20 am

I started with Netscape 3.1 back in 1997 and used every version of Netscape until its demise with Netscape 9. As soon as Firefox entered the fray I downloaded it and have had every version of this browser until the most recent 3.6.13 final came out a few weeks back. It took a while to wean myself from the Netscape suite but once that transition period was over, there was no looking back. And yes.. I did try to look back by using the Seamonkey suite for a few months; it never caught on with me... just too "backward-looking" for my taste. When I jumped ship for Firefox, I downloaded and installed Thunderbird and I've had every version of that program until the latest although for the past two years I've increasingly shifted to webmail accounts as well as Windows Live Mail for the few people who continue to contact me at my pop mail address.

Yesterday I'd finally had enough of my own indecision. It was time to make a final choice once and for all. In my experience, Firefox is just not that lean, speedy program it once was. Having played around with Google Chrome for several months I finally decided last night to make it my default. And with that decision, I removed all traces of Mozilla programs from my computer thus bringing fourteen years of having some form of Mozilla programs installed.
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Re: Fourteen Years with Mozilla Ends

Postby ncd » Mon 03 Jan, 2011 1:25 am

You might give K-Meleon a try... just lean and fast... addons are just that, not built-in.

http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/forum/

KM 1.5.4 is the official release, KM 1.6beta1 and beta2 are what most use. I use KM beta 1

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Re: Fourteen Years with Mozilla Ends

Postby Antony » Mon 03 Jan, 2011 6:45 am

Let's hope that Google Chrome can stay as lean and fast over the years.
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Re: Fourteen Years with Mozilla Ends

Postby James » Mon 03 Jan, 2011 11:01 am

I hear you, Antony. And it's not as though I've completely given up on Firefox, but as far as the current version is concerned... it's history. I'll await version 4 and see what folks have to say about it. But for the time being, there is nothing of Mozilla on this computer and it's a strange experience for me.
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Re: Fourteen Years with Mozilla Ends

Postby richard mitnick » Thu 06 Jan, 2011 3:19 pm

James-

In truth, the one browser which actually says it will do what Mozilla Foundation said it would do is Safari.
Basically, use it the way you get it, as far as I know very few bells and whistles. I mean, I have not loaded it in quite a while; but that was my experience.

Antony might have more to say about its current state.

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Re: Fourteen Years with Mozilla Ends

Postby richard mitnick » Thu 06 Jan, 2011 3:21 pm

James-

I failed to note that I ran Chrome as a default on several of my machines at home for about a month. To me it just felt like a toy.

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Re: Fourteen Years with Mozilla Ends

Postby James » Thu 06 Jan, 2011 11:01 pm

Hi Richard. I have to own up to the fact that I'm falling in love with this Chrome browser. It's lightning fast, has all the extensions I want (I use about a dozen), is customizable, and syncs nicely with my gmail account. I've not had a single crash or freeze-up in the week that I've been running it. It's a keeper as far as I'm concerned (at this juncture anyway). Only time will tell the full story but right now, I'm not missing Firefox one single bit.
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Re: Fourteen Years with Mozilla Ends

Postby Antony » Fri 07 Jan, 2011 6:33 am

richard mitnick wrote:Basically, use it the way you get it, as far as I know very few bells and whistles.

It does not have many features like other browsers, but it does have quite a fair bit on user interfaces.

If you want more bells and whistles, there's Safari Extension Gallery.

Chrome might have something similar.
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Re: Fourteen Years with Mozilla Ends

Postby richard mitnick » Fri 07 Jan, 2011 7:56 am

Antony-

Thanks for the update on Safari.

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Re: Fourteen Years with Mozilla Ends

Postby Fulvio » Fri 07 Jan, 2011 1:46 pm

All I can say is whatever suits a person is ok for me. But, since I have nearly everything past and present, I thought that it would be fun to take a look at the time spent by each program to load, and shutdown, looking at the Task Manager. Taking into account that I have an old and clunky machine, and bottom of the line cable connection, I will say that my times are slow, when compared to others who have newer machines and faster connections, but do I see anything obvious with Firefox vs Chrome, even considering that the number of extentions and tabs are different in all my programs. Firefox 3.6.13 has more extentions and two tabs when compared with Chrome, which has one tab. Firefox is usable with nearly 100 MB memory usage, but firefox.exe creeps up to nearly 130 MB. Chrome was perplexing as it showed no less than nine chrome.exe, all of different sizes, which added up to nearly 130 MB. I tried to close some of the chrome.exe, and did not see anything obvious, until I noticed orangish toolbars telling me that a certain plugin had crashed. Some could be, easily, restored, some not so easily. It appears that one could manage Chrome from the Task Manager more or less like Firefox Safe Mode. But in spite of this different way of managing the programs, Chrome loads faster, in under 30 sec., while FF 3.6.13 may take up to one minute. The new FF4.0 beta takes almost 15 sec. less time. Chrome closes almost instantly, with all nine chrome.exe gone, while the single firefox.exe decreases slowly, at first, then more rapidly.
I had tried Safari, but never saw any advantage in using it.
As for Thunderbird, since between my wife and I. we use seven pop account, there is no question about going to webmail. I expressed before my dislike of v.3.x when compared to 2.x. 3.x will not let me do anything, until everything is downloaded. For instance, I can't delete any old mail, or open an old e-mail, until TB is done.
2.x will allow both functions at the same time. Considering my overall lack of speed, this is annoying.
I use webmail when I feel like it, but, unless I am willing to make major habit changes, it is not my way to go.
Windows Live is tolerable. I keep it around only because Thunderbird is not, officially, supported by my ISP
(in other words some techs know nothing about it, while others do). I have had the occasion to use Windows Live, only once, in the past year, with one account loaded. Being inexperienced with it, I paid for it losing all past e-mail, and anything still on server.
Going back to Firefox vs Chrome, I don't any obvious difference in page rendering, and, since I habitually use no more than three tabs at once, the speed is virtually unchanged.
Seamonkey is ok, but it is not accepted at a number of websites, any more than Firefox nightlies.
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Re: Fourteen Years with Mozilla Ends

Postby crazypenguin » Sat 08 Jan, 2011 3:23 am

This thread sure brings back memories.

I remember the Phoenix browser. It was sleek, lean and very fast. At the time it was my favorite browser.
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Re: Fourteen Years with Mozilla Ends

Postby Edward » Sat 08 Jan, 2011 10:59 am

James - Why did you find it slow? Could the PC itself have been an issue?

Today, I retired the K6-2 box and since the new version of Ubuntu will not boot on the 32-bit Athlon system, unless someone knows of a fix, it looks like I'll be retiring that one as well, leaving my 32-bit laptop (Lenovo ThinkPad T43) and 64-bit desktop (Compaq) as the only computers in use.
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Re: Fourteen Years with Mozilla Ends

Postby James » Sat 08 Jan, 2011 11:08 am

Edward,

I've made few changes since adding the Chrome browser but I now find my time in opening the browser to be cut almost in half. As for page rendering it "seems" to be faster but that could be just a perception rather than reality. I have no intention of entirely walking away from Firefox over the long haul. When version 4 is final, I'll definitely give it a try but until then Chrome will remain my default browser. It's just that this is the first time in all these years that some former of Mozilla browser has not been on my computer and it struck me as odd. But it hasn't taken long to get used to using Chrome since it operates very similarly to Firefox.
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Re: Fourteen Years with Mozilla Ends

Postby Fulvio » Sat 08 Jan, 2011 11:34 am

Just for the record, I have been using the Speedyfox utility (not an addon). It optimizes the profiles, and it cuts loading time.
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Re: Fourteen Years with Mozilla Ends

Postby DJGM » Sat 15 Jan, 2011 7:43 pm

James wrote:I have to own up to the fact that I'm falling in love with this Chrome browser.
It's lightning fast ... is customizable, and syncs nicely with my gmail account.


In what way is Chrome customisable, other than themes/skins? In my experience, I find Chrome and Iron
among the least customisable browsers of all. If Chrome had proper customisations, it would have the
option to add a menu bar, add and rearrange buttons on the main toolbar, and put the tabs bar back
in the rightful place (IMO) below the Location Bar, not above it

I still find Chromium based browsers too basic and simplistic, (IMHO too dumbed down) to use full time.
The only advantage Chromium based browsers have for me, is the page rendering speed from WebKit,
but then, if I want to use a browser built upon the WebKit engine, Safari is a far better choice.

SeaMonkey remains my primary choice for browsing the web on any platform.
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