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How to Safely add Mozilla w/NS7 already on?

Postby profman » Wed 13 Nov, 2002 10:12 pm

I've really been intrigued by all this talk about Mozilla, and I'd like to add a stable build of Mozilla to my Win98 system that already has NS7 on it. I realize so far that I should NEVER share profiles between the two and that they seems to share the file mozver.dat (so I should not touch this file).

Some questions are:

1. What is the most stable Mozilla version out there now? (1.2b?)

2. Will this affect the fat registry.dat file inside the Mozilla folder?

3. Are there any other major concerns, complications, or precautions that I should take?

I really would appreciate your input as I am a very cautious person and like to get all the data I can before trying to experiment with Mozilla. I won't hold anyone accountable if I hose my system in the process, although, from what I can tell, this should not be a big concern (unless I set up 2,844 different profiles like someone who shall remain nameless :))
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Re: How to Safely add Mozilla w/NS7 already on?

Postby Antony » Wed 13 Nov, 2002 10:15 pm

profman wrote:Some questions are:

1. What is the most stable Mozilla version out there now? (1.2b?)

2. Will this affect the fat registry.dat file inside the Mozilla folder?

3. Are there any other major concerns, complications, or precautions that I should take?
1. I am not sure.
2. It should not.
3. you should install into different directory (folder), and it is highly recommended that you create another profile for Mozilla.
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Re: How to Safely add Mozilla w/NS7 already on?

Postby Fulvio » Wed 13 Nov, 2002 11:08 pm

profman wrote:I've really been intrigued by all this talk about Mozilla, and I'd like to add a stable build of Mozilla to my Win98 system that already has NS7 on it. I realize so far that I should NEVER share profiles between the two and that they seems to share the file mozver.dat (so I should not touch this file).

Some questions are:

1. What is the most stable Mozilla version out there now? (1.2b?)

2. Will this affect the fat registry.dat file inside the Mozilla folder?

3. Are there any other major concerns, complications, or precautions that I should take?

I really would appreciate your input as I am a very cautious person and like to get all the data I can before trying to experiment with Mozilla. I won't hold anyone accountable if I hose my system in the process, although, from what I can tell, this should not be a big concern (unless I set up 2,844 different profiles like someone who shall remain nameless :))


Hey, watch your language! I may have had more than 2,844 different profiles, since NS6 showed up, but I know what I am doing. Not always, but I learned that it is not a bad idea to hose something, although I am very careful about messing up my computer.
Now, you are tempting me with that mozver.dat file. I open it with Wordpad, and it contains the entire history of Netscape and Mozilla. I used to delete, as recommended it that file in the early and painful days of 6.0, but I did not even know that the thing existed. I don't even know where it is, some place floating around in the Windows folder.

Now to answer your question:1. who knows? But I would say that the longer that one build is in use the more likely that it will be stabilized. I got Moz1.3a, yesterday, so 1.2 should be ok, even the nightlies have been amazingly stable. And, I think that they should be, because the changes being made now are not so great in scope.
2. the fat Registry.dat file is fattened by NS7. And Mozillas are not affected. The developers have fixed the problem by having the plugins reg.dat. It was a case of the plugins writing information over and over. You could have a perfectly slim Registry.dat file, if you have only one Netscape7. All you need to do is to open Newtscape, and with Netscape open, minim ize it, open Windows Explorer, and go to that Mozilla folder, find the overdone file, and delete it. Then, close Netscape, and you will find a 1Kb Registry.dat file. Context-click/Properties, and check Read only. That file won't grow, but you cannot be free to create Profiles, and remove them. But this may apply only to a multi-user like me. I have five profiles in action, now.
3. No concern, as long as you create a separate profile. Mozilla will install ,if you let it do it, in a mozilla.org subfolder of the Program Files.

But, you can let the Registry.dat file grow. My files went past 108Mb, and it was getting ridiculous.
Anyway, information about what I said is in Ramona's Netscape Solutions.
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Re: How to Safely add Mozilla w/NS7 already on?

Postby Antony » Thu 14 Nov, 2002 12:02 am

Fulvio wrote:... I may have had more than 2,844 different profiles, since NS6 showed up, ...
Really?
Let's take Netscape 6 released on November 2000, and it's been 2 years now, 365 x 2 = 730.
And the average new profiles per day would be about 4! ( 2844 / 730 = 3.896)
WOW!
This is a very high generating rate for Netscape profiles.

All right, just kidding.
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Re: How to Safely add Mozilla w/NS7 already on?

Postby Hendikins » Thu 14 Nov, 2002 2:13 am

profman wrote:Some questions are:

1. What is the most stable Mozilla version out there now? (1.2b?)

2. Will this affect the fat registry.dat file inside the Mozilla folder?

3. Are there any other major concerns, complications, or precautions that I should take?


1. Mozilla 1.1 is the "stable feature release" at the moment. I'd hold though, 1.2 Final is just around the corner (watch the "not suck" bug for progress on that front). If you can't wait for 1.2, you can have a look at the latest 1.2 branch nightly builds - they should be very close to 1.2 final (unless we get some major showstopper).

2. Yes. See 3.

3. Create a seperate profile for your Mozilla build[s], and don't share it with Netscape. The best way to do this is to create a new temporary profile with Netscape 7 before installing Mozilla, Install Mozilla, then delete the temporary profile and create a new one for Mozilla. The Mozilla Installer starts Mozilla after the installation is complete, doing this will force it to bring up the profile manager.

Most of all, have fun ;)
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Re: How to Safely add Mozilla w/NS7 already on?

Postby Hendikins » Thu 14 Nov, 2002 2:17 am

Fulvio wrote:I got Moz1.3a, yesterday


A quick hit of the FTP server says 1.3a isn't out yet :)
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Re: How to Safely add Mozilla w/NS7 already on?

Postby Fulvio » Thu 14 Nov, 2002 12:56 pm

Hendikins wrote:
profman wrote:3. Are there any other major concerns, complications, or precautions that I should take?



3. Create a seperate profile for your Mozilla build[s], and don't share it with Netscape. The best way to do this is to create a new temporary profile with Netscape 7 before installing Mozilla, Install Mozilla, then delete the temporary profile and create a new one for Mozilla. The Mozilla Installer starts Mozilla after the installation is complete, doing this will force it to bring up the profile manager.

Most of all, have fun ;)


True, the profile manager is brought up, but it does not tell me what to do. I wish they would have the caveat.
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Re: How to Safely add Mozilla w/NS7 already on?

Postby Fulvio » Thu 14 Nov, 2002 7:15 pm

Hendikins wrote:
Fulvio wrote:I got Moz1.3a, yesterday


A quick hit of the FTP server says 1.3a isn't out yet :)


That FTP server better wake up. At least it knows that 1.2a is out, and that you have an impostor. I use http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/
and, then select latest-trunk. :D
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Postby beegee » Thu 14 Nov, 2002 10:32 pm

I`m just a humble user of a good browser,so hey,who needs Netscape 7? Mozilla 1.1 does the business very well for us,but then some folks need all those lovely Netscape extras I suppose!
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Postby Fulvio » Fri 15 Nov, 2002 12:29 am

beegee wrote:I`m just a humble user of a good browser,so hey,who needs Netscape 7? Mozilla 1.1 does the business very well for us,but then some folks need all those lovely Netscape extras I suppose!


I can think of one or maybe two feature which makes Netscape desirable over Mozilla, if you are in that type of game. You can set up Nescape Webmail and AOL mail in Netscape, while you can't in Mozilla. And, in theory, at least, Mozilla should be a development tool. So, as long as they place an end-of-time bomb in Mozilla, it is a moot point.
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Re: How to Safely add Mozilla w/NS7 already on?

Postby Hendikins » Fri 15 Nov, 2002 1:52 am

Fulvio wrote:I use http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/
and, then select latest-trunk. :D


I use komodo :)
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Postby profman » Sun 17 Nov, 2002 10:21 pm

Thanks for all the great info! I am, being a bit conservative, leaning toward waiting for 1.2 final which I hope comes out soon so I can try it.

I do have a few questions if anyone has the time to answer them:

1. I noticed that the nightlies expire in 30 days. Do all versions of Mozilla have an expiration date and what happens when they reach that date?

Good question. I never kept any nightly that long, but I intend to save one which I got eight days ago. I will probably forget about it, though

2. It looks like I would, for Mozilla 1.2b, want to download and install the file, "mozilla-win32-1.2b-installer.exe." What are the files with "sea" in their names (like "mozilla-win32-installer-sea.exe"), and would I ever want to use the zip files on the ftp server?

Sea.exe are self-extracting compressed files. I use .zip files all the time, for programs which I do not want to keep. It is very simple: I download the file, and extract it. I discard the zip file. Then I rename the file to something more recognizable ( the Merriam-Webster is the best spell checker!) than "bin". Then I copy a Plugins folder, open the formerly bin folder, and paste, thus replacing whatever is there, not much. I send mozilla.exe as a shortcut to the desktop. Rename that, and I am ready to go. When I am tired of the crittter, I just delete it.

3. Am I safe in assuming that the komodo ftp server just mirrors the Mozilla ftp server?

Have no answer for this.
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Postby Hendikins » Mon 18 Nov, 2002 7:27 am

profman wrote:1. I noticed that the nightlies expire in 30 days. Do all versions of Mozilla have an expiration date and what happens when they reach that date?


I don't believe the "timebomb" is enabled for releases, and I believe all it does is send you to an upgrade nag page.

2. It looks like I would, for Mozilla 1.2b, want to download and install the file, "mozilla-win32-1.2b-installer.exe." What are the files with "sea" in their names (like "mozilla-win32-installer-sea.exe"), and would I ever want to use the zip files on the ftp server?


-sea indicates a full installation file, not netinstall. As for the zip files, those would be used where you can't use the installer (like Win95 a while back), don't have administrator/registry access (just unzip and run), or you want to use the test apps provided with them (MFCEmbed, etc).

3. Am I safe in assuming that the komodo ftp server just mirrors the Mozilla ftp server?


komodo.mozilla.org was the original ftp.mozilla.org. These days the new files land on komodo first, then get copied to AOL's server farm (ftp.mozilla.org). This is because komodo only has a fairly low capacity link to the internet.
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