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[richard mitnick]

A friend who is a staunch IE user and has replaced FF with Chrome for his back up suggested that I take another look. I did and was quite satisfied. It handled the import of all metadata from Firefox in a split second. I guess that means it simply copied a data file with cookies, history, etc., and a bookmarks file, etc.
Hey!! Is the Chrome stealing Chrome?

The best thing I can say, the most general, is that in the past Chrome felt like a tinny toy. It still looks like a toy; but now I have to say that rather than tinny, it feels nimble.

More important, it handled the two requirements of my blog work - hot links and graphics - with ease.

The big benefit over SeaMonkey is that Roboform works in Chrome. For SeaMonkey all Roboform offers is their on line thing. I will not use that.

I set up Chrome to handle my ScienceSprings account at Twitter, leaving MusicSprings on Facebook.

If I can get past one hurdle at work, I may test it there as a default. Firefox remains my default on six machines at the moment, with SeaMonkey the default on the seventh. That last machine will remain with SeaMonkey as the default, the work machine may go from Firefox to Chrome for a one month test as default, if I can get past one hurdle, how it handles an existing AMEX account.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:8.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/8.0.1

[James]

You can see from my user agent string that I'm still using FF as my default. But Chrome is definitely taking over more and more of my surfing experience. It's incredibly fast, it has a much lighter foot than any other browser, it is very customizable and some website sniffers now have it surpassing FF as the second most-used browser on the web. Hundreds of millions of users don't migrate to a new browser for no good reason whatsoever. Obviously it is doing many things right to make them stay. I mentioned a while back that Steve Gibson, Leo Laporte and Paul Thurrott all use Chrome now as their default browser. These men are knowledgeable about such matters... far more than your average hack/geek and that alone gives me confidence that Chrome is here to stay. Furthermore, there is evidence (see my other thread) that Google may pull the plug on its financial support to Mozilla now that the three year agreement is due to expire. The loss of that revenue alone (over 100 million/yr) will greatly impact Mozilla Corp. Is FF doomed? Probably not. Doomed is too strong a word. BUT... there's little question but that Chrome will soon surpass FF as the second most popular browser and in all probability remain in that position until it dethrones IE. As for suites (i.e. Opera, SeaMonkey)... they're yesterday's news. The number of people employing suites is infinitesimally small compared to those who use stand-alones. And I think we're going to see the same for pop e-mail clients (i.e. Thunderbird, Outlook) particularly for individuals (as opposed to businesses) as more folks migrate to webmail clients for storage, back-up and ease of use across multiple platforms. For instance, I now send the majority of my e-mail messages via my smart phone so hotmail and gmail are the two mail clients I employ most with very little e-mail being consigned to my ISP. It's all a sign of the times and the times, they are a-changin!

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:9.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/9.0

[Fulvio]

Firefox is, most likely, doomed, but Google Chrome has given me problem, twice, which led me to get rid of it.
But, I am going to give it a third chance.
And, Seamonkey is not a thing of the past, because I prefer to set up my ISP mail in a mail program. I have everything under one roof, and I don't have the issues found in Thunderbird, with Seamonkey. It downloads new mail much more rapidly than TB.
Some people have blog, and I collect e-mail addresses, all with very specific kind of mail. Seven ISP, AOL, and Yahoo. More practical than going to the website.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0.1) Gecko/20111121 Firefox/8.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.5

[Fulvio]

I swear that I had a v.16 or 17, but this new install says that v.15 the latest one. In spite of the fact that it said that it could not used the existing profile, because it was for "a later version", after several duhs, it opened.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1) AppleWebKit/535.2 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/15.0.874.121 Safari/535.2

[James]

Firefox is, most likely, doomed, but Google Chrome has given me problem, twice, which led me to get rid of it.
But, I am going to give it a third chance.
And, Seamonkey is not a thing of the past, because I prefer to set up my ISP mail in a mail program. I have everything under one roof, and I don't have the issues found in Thunderbird, with Seamonkey. It downloads new mail much more rapidly than TB.
Some people have blog, and I collect e-mail addresses, all with very specific kind of mail. Seven ISP, AOL, and Yahoo. More practical than going to the website.

Hi Fulvio.

SM really is an older-type of product. Granted... it works but then so does Opera, another suite. And as you know, both of these suites combined represent less than 3% of internet users. There has to be a reason for that. We're talking about hundreds of millions of people now, Fulvio, and that statistic alone should give anyone pause for thought. Why have the vast majority of users abandoned suites?

You mention that you prefer to set up your ISP mail in SM since it doesn't have the issues found in Thunderbird. But that begs the question: do most people even use ISP to get their email anymore? The answer is: no. Like it or not, most are using webmail accounts to send and receive email (or at least the vast majority of their email). Almost all of the email I receive (and send) is through Hotmail, Gmail and Yahoo mail with certainly less than 10% going through my ISP's provided account (for which I use TB). Whereas I would agree that businesses still rely upon email through their company servers and programs like Outlook, individual users are abandoning it.
We now message one another via Facebook accounts. We contact and follow one another through Twitter accounts. And of course, we use webmail accounts by and large for most of our email.

My emails are stored on my webmail accounts and are accessible from anywhere. As I mentioned, I can access (and I DO frequently) my email messages with my smart phone. I can access them from our company's computer if need be. All of my contacts are on my phone and at those websites.

Again, as I mentioned previously... times are changing and the way people use the internet is also changing. When Lin and I talk with our granddaughter, it is now via our Xbox 360/Kinect. Some use Skype but we find the Xbox perfect for this. On occasion we will even message family members via Xbox while we pause the Netflix movie we're watching. No need to go seek out a laptop to send an email. Just send a message through the messaging system of the Xbox OR pick up the phone and text or email instantly.

And should Google pull its financial support from Mozilla, how long do you think SeaMonkey will survive, let alone Firefox? Unless Microsoft bails them out, they truly are doomed (although I have a feeling that Google will weigh that possibility and continue some sort of limited support in the future to prevent that from happening).

Chrome just keeps getting better and better. Even today I've found myself sitting and waiting for FF to render pages and finally in frustration decided to close it down and open up Chrome. It just is what it is.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1) AppleWebKit/535.2 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/15.0.874.121 Safari/535.2

[richard mitnick]

The main usage and development for SeaMonkey is in Europe, not the U.S., it has around 1 million adherents. I have always used the browser and only the browser. It is a solid product.

My testing of Chrome is going well. It handled AMEX processing just fine. A touch of getting used to things for the blogs, it handles hot links from the web just fine; getting links from saved bookmarks is a two step affair, but not a problem.

So, until it falters, it will be my default at work. SM a default on one machine at home, FF on five machines at home.

>>RSM

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/535.2 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/15.0.874.121 Safari/535.2

[Fulvio]

do most people even use ISP to get their email anymore

I know that many people do not use ISP mail. My daughter drives me crazy having a new e-mail address every week. Webmail is closely tied withe Facebook generation, which I neglect.
My wife and I are eligible to seven e-mail addresses, and I use five. Each one deals with different stuff. One is for personal mail, another one for music stuff, a third for banking business, etc.
Surely I could use webmail, but why not get everything in one spot?

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0.1) Gecko/20111121 Firefox/8.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.5

[richard mitnick]

First, I absolutely do use my ISP at home and the one at work for email. I have tried Google Mail and Yahoo Mail. Sorry, not for me. I even keep my home ISP's web mail utility open all day at work, in IE, since I do not use it for anything else. The utility updates just as if I were in the software at home.

Here is my interim report to a clleague on CVhrome:
"So far, Chrome is acting like a winner. I have it as the default on my work machine. It handled productivity sites like AMEX (credit card work)and JPMorgan (entering invoices on a power company site) just fine.

On the blog scene, handling the chores for ScienceSprings, two nice results:

If I need a URL for a lab, it is just right click the bookmark and copy the name, go to the blog post, click on link and paste, and what it pastes is the URL. If I want to put the name in, e.g., an email, I paste in the name, it pastes as text, and it is automatically a hot link, click and go to the site. So, the same copy function results one way in an .html file and the other way in text. This is similar to how SeaMonkey handles a Google image. If I copy the image, I can paste it into my picture folder. If I paste it into a post, the URL for the picture is what gets pasted.

An improvement on SeaMonkey, SeaMonkey does not handle all Google images well. I would then go out and get them with Firefox which handles them all with great aplomb. So, that is a fault in SeaMonkey, the only fault in SeaMonkey for blog work. But, Chrome handles Google images in the same way as Firefox: select the image, click on the image then right click for the URL.

So far, this “shake-down cruise” is going quite well.

Since most of the blog work is in ScienceSprings, I may just try Chrome as the default ion my home desktop machine, where I do most of the work when I am at home."

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:8.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/8.0.1

[Fulvio]

Chrome is acting like a winne

Which version do you use? I will summarize what I have been seeing. Chrome updated to v.16, even before it was announced by others. The thing was acting up, off and on, so I removed it. I redownloaded it from the website, and it came up with v.15. And, it tells me that I can't use its old profile, but it does, and unless I am seeing things it claims to have the latest version.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111103 Firefox/3.6.24

[James]

I'm currently using Chrome version 15 with no problems whatsoever. It's simply better than anything else I've tried (and I've tried them all). I have no doubt but that Chrome will soon surpass Firefox as the second most popular browser.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1) AppleWebKit/535.2 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/15.0.874.121 Safari/535.2

[richard mitnick]

I have no doubt but that Chrome will soon surpass Firefox as the second most popular browser.

It's almost as if there is no No 1. IE is just left sitting there by MSFT. Nothing happens, nothing changes. Maybe security, nothing else.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:8.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/8.0.1

[James]

Indeed. Although many businesses refuse to use anything else, ours being but one example. I find it frustrating that we are forced to use IE8 (IE 9 not available since we're still using XP Pro as our OS) and any suggestion of switching browsers is met with great resistance. Sysops are very protective of their turf.

I believe, however, that as Google gains an even greater user base greater clout among businesses, it will become the darling of most corporations. We shall see. Until then, I continue to try to get my wife to switch over from IE 9 but so far in vain. LOL

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1) AppleWebKit/535.2 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/15.0.874.121 Safari/535.2

[DJGM]

Chrome is definitely taking over more and more of my surfing experience. It's incredibly fast,
it has a much lighter foot than any other browser, it is very customizable and some website
sniffers now have it surpassing FF as the second most-used browser on the web.

As I've said before, I fail to see how Chrome is "very customizable". Compared with Ffx and SM, it has a very
poor level of customisation. Yes it's faster than Mozilla based browsers, but nowhere near as customisable.

SeaMonkey might have a tiny market share, and be more of a niche product ... but it suits me fine.
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UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:9.0.1) Gecko/20111221 Firefox/9.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.6.1 Lightning/1.1.1