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[humpd]

Since the only time I use IE is to do online security scans (like Housecall, etc.), is there any reason to upgrade to IE 7? I have read about problems people have had after installing the latest version of IE.

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[Antony]

Since the only time I use IE is to do online security scans (like Housecall, etc.), is there any reason to upgrade to IE 7? I have read about problems people have had after installing the latest version of IE.

No.
Unless you really can't wait, I don't see any reason to rush into Internet Explorer 7.

Most websites are tested with Internet Explorer 6.

However, there are some new features in IE7, you are free to get it if you want to try those new features.

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[humpd]

I thought that was the case but just wanted to be sure -- just in case there was something important to have with the new IE. I stay away from using it as much as possible.

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[richard mitnick]

It is highly recommended that for security purposes, even if you do not use IE, you should install IE7. IE is part of Windows, so you are really adding security to the OS.

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[humpd]

Richard: the reason I am hesitating to install IE7 is that I have read on other forums some nightmarish problems people are having after updating to version 7. Windows failing to start, problems with other browsers, etc.. I have kept up to date with all Windows security fixes other than upgrading to IE7. Are my concerns overblown?

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[richard mitnick]

You know, all I can give you is my experience. I have had absolutely no problems.

I did have a problem installing because of a previous bad MSFT update originating around April of 2006, for which I got a solution, and I think that I posted all the KB numbers here at sillydog.

But once that was straightened out, I installed fine on two computers, IE 7 took over all of my settings, Favorites, etc.

FF is my default, but I ran IE7 as my default on both computers for about three weeks, just to get the feel of it. That is how I test things. It was fine. I think the the tabbed browsing is a bit clunky, what with needing the Favorites thing on the left side bar if one wants to open a group of tabs all together. But, if they screwed up FF, I could live with IE7. I did add Roboform to come up to FF and Seamonkey browser in handling user id's and passwords, because I am just plain lazy.

I keep Seamonkey browser up to date, again, just in case they screw up something I need in FF. I would choose Seamonkey over IE7 in a heartbeat, but that is me.

IE7 is a necessary update because all of IE is part of Windows. Even if one does not run it, I believe that one should install it, and it has given me no problems.

I have seen so many people post about such a variety of problems that I do not have, here and in the Mozillazine forums, that I often think that their problems originate with their other handling of their computers, and not with the software about which they post.

So, best of luck, I hope you do well with it, if you do it.

::RSM

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[humpd]

Richard: thanks for the input. I just may have to give it a try. I may wait until any bugs are fixed, however.

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[richard mitnick]

Ah, for the end of bugs!!

BTW, I see you use Ad-aware, as do I. Ad-aware SE 1.06 has been compromised, and Lavasoft has as of yet no explanation or solution. On one of my computers it repeatedly just stopped at around 172,500 files, a different exact number over three attempts and one total re-install of a new download. I searched with Google on "Ad-aware stops", which took me to their forum. The Google hits did not tell all, so I registered with the forum and found thier announcement, which requests all kinds of help from users, sort of like the CDC for epidemiology. I posted this in sillydog earlier.

::RSM

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[Edward]

It is highly recommended that for security purposes, even if you do not use IE, you should install IE7. IE is part of Windows, so you are really adding security to the OS.

ADDING???

I went back to IE6 about 5 minutes after installing IE7, I did not like its interface. If IE7 is required for something ridiculous in the future, that will be the point where I stop using Windows.

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[DJGM]

It'd be better if there was a way of only updating the "under the hood" bits of IE6 to IE7, while still keeping
the IE6 GUI installed of the absolutely atrocious one that comes with IE7. This was pretty much the case
when IE6 was released 5 years ago. All those that updated to IE6 on pre-XP versions of Windows were
left with the familiar, if rather dull, greyscale UI they were used to seeing with IE5.x and 4.x,
while XP users got IE6 with the brighter colourful new toolbars and buttons

So, why couldn't Microsoft have done the same with IE7 ... reserved the new look GUI for Vista users,
and allowed those installing IE7 on XP/2003 with the much more standard looking GUI layout of IE6?

I'm still concerned about the users who'll blindly accept the auto upgrade to IE7, thinking it'll either
be a vast improvement over IE6, or that it's the only browser in existence. It is neither of these.

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[richard mitnick]

I am just telling what was my experience and what i have read.

IE7 is not my default browser. I read Langa, Thurrott, I get Windows Secrets paid version, Scott's Newsletter, even somne FF folks at Mozillazine forums suggest the install. This is what they all say: even if you do not use it, which I do not, you should still install IE7.

::RSM

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[Antony]

IE7 is a necessary update because all of IE is part of Windows. Even if one does not run it, I believe that one should install it, and it has given me no problems.

I have seen so many people post about such a variety of problems that I do not have, here and in the Mozillazine forums, that I often think that their problems originate with their other handling of their computers, and not with the software about which they post.

Thanks Richard,

I still doubt that IE7 is a necessary update. It's true that IE is part of Windows, and a number of files must be updated during IE7 installation. Microsoft should provide Windows updates through another mean such as Windows Update, other than telling users to install IE7. If IE7 really is a must, this can be lead to another issue - forcing users to upgrade to IE7.

even somne FF folks at Mozillazine forums suggest the install. This is what they all say: even if you do not use it, which I do not, you should still install IE7.

From my observation, a number of active people in Mozillazine can't live without the latest of every software and patches.

However, I have to point out that since I am not one of those who rush to the latest version of whichever software they can get, my opinion is usually different.

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