SillyDog701

[richard mitnick]

Take a look at this thread, which has links to metrix on SeaMonkey and confirmation that much of its activity and usage is European.

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2101697

I have always had an irrational attraction to SeaMonkey's browser, so I was very interested to look at its viability down the road.

>>RSM

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101123 SeaMonkey/2.0.11

[James]

It is interesting to see where the user base lies but the numbers are very small indeed. Again, it would not surprise me in the least to see the project fold. We're an increasingly mobile community of users. Desktops and laptops while still viable are fast becoming yesterday's means of computing. While I can see businesses maintaining a desktop/laptop workplace, I don't see the same happening in the private sector. Smart phones are the future and the future is now. Tablets are also on the rise. Young people who make up a very sizable portion of internet usage do not use e-mail clients for the most part. A suite like SM is simply an older approach to computing and communicating. Honestly, Richard, I don't see SM or Opera for that matter, ever doing much in future unless drastic changes are made.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:2.0b11) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/4.0b11

[Edward]

I can't use anything Mozilla now on my 64-bit desktop.

Something changed in the current versions of Firefox, SeaMonkey and also Thunderbird, that on my 64-bit desktop, they all "freeze".

They would work for a while, then without warning, all activity stops. I could open a bookmark, see "Looking for http://www.sillydog.org... and nothing happens. If I then open new tabs to retrieve the modem and router status pages using their respective IP addresses, nothing happens there either. Then anywhere between 10 seconds and one minute later, the software magically wakes up and proceeds to load in the pages on the three tabs.

Thinking that this might be hardware-related, I disabled the on-board NIC, bought a new PCI NIC, same thing occurred. I then bought a new router, same thing with the new router.

Signal levels coming from and to the cable modem were well within the normal range, so it couldn't be the modem. Plus, I did not have this problem on my 32-bit laptop (running only Ubuntu Linux).

I then installed Chromium (chromium-browser) (known as Google Chrome in the Windows world) and Claws Mail on both Windows Vista and Ubuntu Linux (64-bit). No problems with either on either operating system.

I suspect that something networking related was changed in the current versions of SM, Fx and TBird that is causing them to behave this way on that 64-bit hardware.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Ubuntu/10.10 Chromium/9.0.597.94 Chrome/9.0.597.94 Safari/534.13

[richard mitnick]

Edward-

Gee Whiz- sorry you are having this trouble. I have four Win 7 64 bit machines along with my two Vista 32 bit systems, I have FF, SM, and TB on all of them with no problems. My main default browser is FF, SM on one machine due to a problem I had needing two separate Twitter accounts. I use TB to off-load saved email which Outlook seems to dislike.

I don't think money is the answer. That said, I don't really have an answer. Once with FF, I needed to get it completely off the machine, which meant Registry edits, and then re-start.

Did they work for some time on the 64 bit machine and then stop working?

I did have a problem with SM not displaying the images in Google|Images on three of five machines involved in my blogs. That was solved with a new profile (boy, that was a lot of work for me, tons of saved user ids and no Roboform).

I hope that you get it resolved. Neither Chrome nor IE is my cup of tea.

>>RSM

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101203 Firefox/3.6.13 ImageShackToolbar/5.2.4 ( .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET4.0C)

[Edward]

The problems started a couple of months back when the current versions of all were released.

While the software hung, I would open a console window, other network-related items (ftp, telnet, traceroute, ping) all worked perfectly, so I knew it was not a data connection problem.

This is why I think something in the networking component universal to all three software programs, must have been changed with the current versions.

I also filed a bug report on this, it has yet to even be acknowledged.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Ubuntu/10.10 Chromium/9.0.597.94 Chrome/9.0.597.94 Safari/534.13