Jay Garcia's response after Hurricane Katrina

[Ron Williams]

Note by admin:
This thread is split from [sdt=9704]Hurricane Katrina hits New Orleans[/sdt]. All Mr Jay Garcia's disgusting slam against SillyDog701 and our deepest concern about Mr Jay Garcia's safety were moved to this thread. Other posts relating those this matter are also in this thread.

("disgusting slam" were words borrowed from Jay Garcia in his another fictionally identity - "WileC")
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I cant help but say something now. I agree with Jay Garcia in his comment about your suggestive insinuation. Its getting very old to see you (antony) constantly pushing your agenda. You need to get over whatever you STILL have against Jay Garcia.

I think you need to get over whatever you have against him because you are constantly 'beating a dead horse' over something that has been resolved. SD701 was not hurt majorly over Jay Garcia's cybersquatting, but you still harbor it like he did some evil dead against you or SD701.

Ok, heres why I say you have something

On page 1, antony makes a same similar statement about Jay twice

Earlier this year, SillyDog701 discovered condemnable and unethical cybersquatting behaviour conducted by Mr. Jay Garcia.
SillyDog701 holds no grudges.

About Jay Garcia and SillyDog701:
Mr. Jay Garcia conducted condemnable and unethical cybersquatting attacks on SillyDog701.
SillyDog701 holds no grudges.

If SD701 holds no grudges then you must because I think anyone reading the topic understands who Jay is. Not many people care about that any more either, its been resolved.

Page 2, one statement about Jay is made:

Background on Jay Garcia and SillyDog701:
Mr. Jay Garcia conducted condemnable and unethical cybersquatting attacks on SillyDog701.
SillyDog701 and Antony hold no grudges.

Page 3, nothing attacking Jay.

Page 4,
This page has so many things attacking Jay that I cant quote anything.

Antony, I stated that to you should not hound Jay over this in an IM (privately), but you (as usual) have some kind of messiah complex expecting everyone to just go on without saying something. Well now I am publicly saying something about your obvious anger/hate toward Jay. I think this may be the only way to get my point across because maybe you will have the realization that you are not always right. Every time there is an arguement, you have to not accept other peoples opinions and try to push your opinion. When people 'rebel' against your opinions, you just are completely rude. Dont believe me? Just look at the Wacko Jacko stuff. And by the way, I am not the only one who feels you are having some kind of problem with Jay, a moderator and a few members agree. I wont bring up there names though, as I have not asked there permission to reveal them. If I do get there permission or they choose to come forward, then you will find out there names.

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[Antony]

This thread has nothing against our good friend, Mr Jay Garcia, who is a evacuee of Hurricane Katrina. I expressed my greatest concern about Mr Jay Garcia's safety.

You need to get over whatever you STILL have against Jay Garcia.

Shouldn't you tell the same thing to Mr. Garcia?

I simply stated the correct channel to donate for hurricane relief, and I encourage everybody who wishes to donate to use the proper channel to donate. From Mr Jar Garcia's response, it seems to me he was offended by my recommendation to all SillyDog701 members.
In this complicated world, there are simply too many people not working hard for money, but trying to rip other people off. If you read news, you would know there are too many fake appeal websites, gather money from people trying to help.
(e.g. Fake tsunami appeal website terminated, The Register)

Ok, heres why I say you have something

On page 1, antony makes a same similar statement about Jay twice

Earlier this year, SillyDog701 discovered condemnable and unethical cybersquatting behaviour conducted by Mr. Jay Garcia.
SillyDog701 holds no grudges.

About Jay Garcia and SillyDog701:
Mr. Jay Garcia conducted condemnable and unethical cybersquatting attacks on SillyDog701.
SillyDog701 holds no grudges.

I had to briefly state who Mr Jay Garcia is and the relationship between Mr Jay Garcia and SillyDog701.
Dear Ronnie, you simply read those brief statement as me against Jay Garcia. Those statement has nothing against Mr Jay Garcia.

Page 4,
This page has so many things attacking Jay that I cant quote anything.

This page has nothing attacking Mr Jay Garcia. This page reports great news about Mr Jay Garcia is safe and well. Also in this page, an important message to everybody who wish to donate, I kindly remind them the proper channel for donating.

Antony, I stated that to you should not hound Jay over this in an IM (privately), but you (as usual) have some kind of messiah complex expecting everyone to just go on without saying something.

That's one thing you are wrong, I like everybody to join, either agreeing or disagreeing. In fact, I encourage every member to express his/her opinions. SillyDog701 is open for discussion. We accept all opinions.

Well now I am publicly saying something about your obvious anger/hate toward Jay. I think this may be the only way to get my point across because maybe you will have the realization that you are not always right.

I appreciate your concern. However, as I said, I don't hold grudges against Mr Jay Garcia, and I just realised he was not very open-minded. (See my previous post.)

Every time there is an arguement, you have to not accept other peoples opinions and try to push your opinion.

That's completely untrue. Whenever there's a debate, everybody has equal right to express himself/herself. I did not push my opinion every time. However I do noticed a few times, some members can not continue their argument and/or could not defence/back up their points.

Dear Ronnie, it seems to me you are harbouring grudges against you from [sdt=8598]Terri Schiavo[/sdt] debate, opinion on King of Pop Michael Jackson, or in this very own thread, I happened to not agree with your rice + water purifying suggestion.

Whether or not Mr Garcia considers what has been said to be an indirection accusation or not, it still remains germane that only internationally recognised charity agencies are the only ones mandated to accept donated funds to assist victims/countries in times of disasters natural or otherwise.

This thread is about Hurricane Katrina, and Mr Jay Garcia in particular. I am very happy to know Mr. Jay Garcia is safe and well.

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[Ron Williams]

You need to get over whatever you STILL have against Jay Garcia.

Shouldn't you tell the same thing to Mr. Garcia?

I simply stated the correct channel to donate for hurricane relief, and I encourage everybody who wishes to donate to use the proper channel to donate. From Mr Jar Garcia's response, it seems to me he was offended by my recommendation to all SillyDog701 members.
In this complicated world, there are simply too many people not working hard for money, but trying to rip other people off. If you read news, you would know there are too many fake appeal websites, gather money from people trying to help.

There are always people trying to rip other people off after major disasters.

Here you are ensinuating that Jay Garcia is engaging in these types of activities. Also, there is not much more risk to give money to Jay than giving to the actual organization (See here)

Ok, heres why I say you have something

On page 1, antony makes a same similar statement about Jay twice

Earlier this year, SillyDog701 discovered condemnable and unethical cybersquatting behaviour conducted by Mr. Jay Garcia.
SillyDog701 holds no grudges.

About Jay Garcia and SillyDog701:
Mr. Jay Garcia conducted condemnable and unethical cybersquatting attacks on SillyDog701.
SillyDog701 holds no grudges.

I had to briefly state who Mr Jay Garcia is and the relationship between Mr Jay Garcia and SillyDog701.
Dear Ronnie, you simply read those brief statement as me against Jay Garcia. Those statement has nothing against Mr Jay Garcia.

If you were briefly stating this, you would not have stated it 3 times in the same topic.

Page 4,
This page has so many things attacking Jay that I cant quote anything.

This page has nothing attacking Mr Jay Garcia. This page reports great news about Mr Jay Garcia is safe and well. Also in this page, an important message to everybody who wish to donate, I kindly remind them the proper channel for donating.

Interestingly enough you ensinuated that he was engaging in these activities.

Antony, I stated that to you should not hound Jay over this in an IM (privately), but you (as usual) have some kind of messiah complex expecting everyone to just go on without saying something.

That's one thing you are wrong, I like everybody to join, either agreeing or disagreeing. In fact, I encourage every member to express his/her opinions. SillyDog701 is open for discussion. We accept all opinions.

No, you/SD701 does not. You are required to have an open mind to accept opinions. You dont, just read your constant argueing over terri schiavo. I have this as seen in the arguement over Michael Jackson(Third Post). Then when you dont get your way, you make [sdp=54783]aligations[/sdp] that everyone can say about others, as everyone is biased. And that I am brain-washed.

Well now I am publicly saying something about your obvious anger/hate toward Jay. I think this may be the only way to get my point across because maybe you will have the realization that you are not always right.

I appreciate your concern. However, as I said, I don't hold grudges against Mr Jay Garcia, and I just realised he was not very open-minded. (See my previous post.)

Your statements do not affect your feelings which are un-intentionally projected still.

Every time there is an arguement, you have to not accept other peoples opinions and try to push your opinion.

That's completely untrue. Whenever there's a debate, everybody has equal right to express himself/herself. I did not push my opinion every time. However I do noticed a few times, some members can not continue their argument and/or could not defence/back up their points.

Its a waste of time to argue with someone who does not have an open mind.

Dear Ronnie, it seems to me you are harbouring grudges against you from [sdt=8598]Terri Schiavo[/sdt] debate, opinion on King of Pop Michael Jackson, or in this very own thread, I happened to not agree with your rice + water purifying suggestion.

I am just stating things that are clear.

This thread is about Hurricane Katrina, and Mr Jay Garcia in particular. I am very happy to know Mr. Jay Garcia is safe and well.

Whether this last statement is to stop me from replying with a statement regarding your reply, I am going to defend myself.

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[Antony]

Interestingly enough you ensinuated that he was engaging in these activities.

It was a necessary recommendation. I am sure most people would agree with me that we don't want to hear any further victims being ripped of by similar stories as fake tsunami appeal website.

There are no insinuations at all, except a kind and necessary reminder to everyone who wishes to donate should be aware. Sadly such reminder offended some people. This world is complicated, I sincerely wish I could keep everybody happy, however I believe I did a right thing.

Antony, I stated that to you should not hound Jay over this in an IM (privately), but you (as usual) have some kind of messiah complex expecting everyone to just go on without saying something.

That's one thing you are wrong, I like everybody to join, either agreeing or disagreeing. In fact, I encourage every member to express his/her opinions. SillyDog701 is open for discussion. We accept all opinions.

No, you/SD701 does not. You are required to have an open mind to accept opinions. You dont, just read your constant argueing over terri schiavo. I have this as seen in the arguement over Michael Jackson(Third Post). Then when you dont get your way, you make [sdp=54783]aligations[/sdp] that everyone can say about others, as everyone is biased. And that I am brain-washed.

I apologise* for referring you as brain-washed.
(*[sdp=54995]NOTE: the word "apologise" is spelt correctly.[/sdp])

SillyDog701 accepts and welcomes all different opinions. It has been proven. If SillyDog701 does not accept different opinions, all posts with different opinions would be deleted immediately. As the Rules and Policies state clearly, no censorship based on opinions.
However, failing to defend better or having proper backups, but instead blaming me of not being open minded won't do any good. (Posts deleted or moved to JunkRoom are for other reasons.)

Again, this thread is about our care of Hurricane Katrina victims and our good friend Mr Jay Garcia in particular.

It seems like you really have a grudge against me personally. (other examples (in other threads), my recommending of getting music legally.)

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[Ron Williams]

Interestingly enough you ensinuated that he was engaging in these activities.

It was a necessary recommendation. I am sure most people would agree with me that we don't want to hear any further victims being ripped of by similar stories as fake tsunami appeal website.

There are no insinuations at all, except a kind and necessary reminder to everyone who wishes to donate should be aware. Sadly such reminder offended some people. This world is complicated, I sincerely wish I could keep everybody happy, however I believe I did a right thing.

Maybe you need to read your quote again

There are always people trying to rip other people off after major disasters.

Thats a clear ensinuation. If you truly were not trying to attack Jay Garcia, you would have said something like

While people who wish to assist organizations by collection of money, several problems have arose with this by other organizations. Please donate directly to the organization of your choice.

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[Ron Williams]

Convienently someone joined the forum who likes macs, defends antony, and has the same useragent string as antony. HMMM is it antony, I wonder.

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Also, I can only findone other place where this name is used, and thats on AIM.

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[Antony]

Convienently someone joined the forum who likes macs, defends antony, and has the same useragent string as antony. HMMM is it antony, I wonder.

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What's your problem?
Are you trying to do the same thing as in [sdt=9311]another thread[/sdt]? No new users can post?
For every Mac users with latest updates of OS X and Safari, the useragent would be identical.

Maybe you need to read your quote again

There are always people trying to rip other people off after major disasters.

Thats a clear ensinuation. If you truly were not trying to attack Jay Garcia, you would have said something like

While people who wish to assist organizations by collection of money, several problems have arose with this by other organizations. Please donate directly to the organization of your choice.

Firstly, allow me to borrow [sdp=54995]your sentence[/sdp], but I will soften it. Just so you know it is spelt as insinuation, you may wish to consult Oxford English Dictionary.

I have mentioned a number of times, even when I first mentioned that. It was a general advice to everybody who wishes to donate. I failed to see any accusation to any person in that sentence I wrote.

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[Ron Williams]

Sadly but undeniable, Mr Garcia conducted a remarkable and unethical cybersquatting attack on SillyDog701. I briefly stated this (as part of mentioning who Mr. Garcia is) in this thread, and clearly stated that SillyDog701 and I hold no grudges. I have no idea why people get offended by short statement.

You've stated this FOUR times now. If you were just briefly stating it, you would not have said it three times before.

How can you care about someones safety, but still complain about them. Thats like saying you are going to throw them a rope to pull themselves out of a raging current, but let go of it after you throw it.

As for my "grudges" toward you, I dont have one, but obviously lorraine agrees with me regarding your insinuations.

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[JayGarcia]

I can no longer remain silent in this matter. Ron, no need to continue to defend me (thanks!!) as everybody knows Antony by now anyway.

After being the recipient of a very humbling experience a little while ago, I cannot in good conscience harbor ill feelings toward anyone, Antony included.

We drove up here to Longview in two automobiles, mine and my wife's Honda CRV. While hanging around here with basically nothing exciting to do, I decided to bring her CRV to the local dealership to have a small coolant leak taken care of along with a nagging little problem with the transmission, both of which seemed quite minor. I also opted for an oil change and filter, etc. The diagnostic charge for leak and transmission was only $9.00 and the oil change $28.00. So, after an hour passed the service tech came in with the "bad" news. The radiator had to be replaced and the transmission needed to be replaced, both of which Honda doesn't do rebuilds. The total price quoted was a little less that $5,000. I told the tech to do just the oil change as we were evacuees and needed our "cash" for living expenses for however long we were displaced to Longview and not knowing what fate faces us upon our return to Kenner and New Orleans. I also asked if there was some way to "patch" the radiator AND transmission but he said "honestly" no ... Oh well ...

Another 30 mins passed and the owner of the dealership called me into his office to ask if I had 4 hrs free time to spare. I said, sure I have nothing else to do and why??? He said he contacted the Honda District Office and they opted to do ALL of the work FREE OF CHARGE to help me out in my time of need. The rest of this story is obvious.

Now, to Antony .....

Sir, your concern for mine and my family's safety and well being is admirable. However, to take the opportunity to continue to belittle me in public is reprehensible and disgusting to say the least. If I am such a "good friend" and my safety/well-being is of such importance then WHY did you seize upon the opportunity to reference past incidents that happened a long time ago AND were resolved amicably. You could just as easily said "Jay Garcia - Webmaster of the Netscape UFAQ" as the personal reference and let it go at that. Everybody knows who I am anyway. Oh I see, you just wanted to provide a little bio, right?

And then you have the audacity to reference the Google Ad thing, something you know nothing about except for the fact that I did ask users to click the ads. That was an error on my part, not unethical as you so fondly put it. I was unaware at the time that it was against Google policy to do that as I didn't read all of the "rules". After Google contacted me and pointed out those "rules", I pulled the post(s) and all references asking users to click on the ads. I also notified Google that I was matching the collected funds from those clicks. And you won't believe what Google did after that, so I'm not going to tell you BUT it was a very positive action.

You also mentioned DrDean's well being as well. DrDean is in Canada and was unaffected by hurricane Katrina. But you knew that didn't you? You accused me of being DrDean, refusing to understand how VNC works.

Just FYI, DrDean is actually Dr Deanne Zielienski - her married name, I'm not revealing her maiden name for privacy issues as she used that as her professional name. Deanne is a retired MD/PHD Clinical Psychologist and former "Dean" of the Psychology department of a large European university and a VERY close friend of my brother as they both were associated with Tulane Medical School in New Orleans for a short time. Deanne used my VNC connection to access this and other forums, again for privacy reasons as she didn't want to reveal her local IP and residency. Ok, so we had a little fun with her "gender", name and age ... so what? Laugh a little may do you some good!!

Sincerely, Jay Garcia

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[Antony]

You've stated this FOUR times now.

Since you failed to read "SillyDog701 and I hold no grudges," I had to repeat.

Now, to Jay Garcia,

It was good to hear from you. Welcome back!

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[Antony]

FBI also warns about fake relief services for Hurricane Katrina, and urges people who want to donate by directly type in the web address of recognised charities in order to donate.

I was doing [sdp=62930]the right thing[/sdp] on warning people the proper channel to donate.



FBI warns about fake Katrina sites (News.com.au, September 14, 2005)

MANY of the 4000 web sites advertising relief services for Hurricane Katrina could be fake and about 60 per cent of them come from outside the US – a sign they may be bogus, the FBI said.

Senior FBI and Justice Department officials warned Americans who want to donate money to the relief effort to be cautious to avoid fraudulent charities, including those that pretend to be major organisations like the Red Cross.
"Just like these natural disasters bring out the best in people, they also bring out some of the worst elements of the criminal element out there who are willing to take advantage of those who are willing to give and those who so desperately need the relief," said Chris Swecker, chief of the FBI's criminal investigative division.

Mr Swecker said the FBI is investigating sites of fraudulent charities, including more than 2000 which are based outside the US.

"That is not a reason unto itself to conclude that that's a scam web site, but it is a reason to be cautious," he said.

US Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said some of the bogus sites had been shut down but would not give details on the number or how many investigations had been launched.

"We must ensure that those offering a helping hand do not become victims themselves and that those found preying on the compassion of our citizens are punished," he said.

The Red Cross' general counsel, Mary Elcano, said the organisation had hired a security company to scan the Internet for fake e-mails that try to trick people into providing credit card numbers and personal information on a web site that looks like the one run by the Red Cross.

"If the companies don't go away ... the Department of Justice will prosecute and, if necessary, the Red Cross will file a civil action to seek restitution," she said.

Officials urged people who want to donate money not to click on links but to directly type in the web address of the charity in order to donate.

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[JayGarcia]

Thanks Profman and Ramona, and of course Ron for the kind words. The actual invoice was a little over $5000 .. Wow!! is right. My entire family has been located, some in Mississippi and Kentucky and my sister in Jefferson Parish - she's one of the two Medical Examiners at the Coroner's Office so she had to stay, they put her up in a local hotel close by. Her job is going to get more interesting as the days go by ...

And thanks to all the folks here who have PM'd and private emailed me , you know who you are, too bad I'm not allowed to send a reply via PM. Sad ...

Jay

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[Antony]

After being the recipient of a very humbling experience a little while ago, I cannot in good conscience harbor ill feelings toward anyone, Antony included.

Sir, your concern for mine and my family's safety and well being is admirable. However, to take the opportunity to continue to belittle me in public is reprehensible and disgusting to say the least. If I am such a "good friend" and my safety/well-being is of such importance then WHY did you seize upon the opportunity to reference past incidents that happened a long time ago AND were resolved amicably. You could just as easily said "Jay Garcia - Webmaster of the Netscape UFAQ" as the personal reference and let it go at that. Everybody knows who I am anyway. Oh I see, you just wanted to provide a little bio, right?

This thread shows SillyDog701 and my concern about our good friend Mr Jay Garcia.

Since the previous attack was so big, it was necessary to mention the fact that I hold no grudges against Mr Jay Garcia. As for brief mentioning of Mr Garcia's attack on SillyDog701 was absolutely necessary as to finish the sentence - SillyDog701 and I hold no grudges against Mr Jay Garcia.

And then you have the audacity to reference the Google Ad thing, something you know nothing about except for the fact that I did ask users to click the ads. That was an error on my part,

I wasn't intend to mention that, but Mr Garcia was the one mentioned that first.

There's no need to sell further DrDean story or the VNC thing. I know how VNC works very well. If Mr Garcia wishes to play more psychological game, please feel free to start a new thread. Not allowed to send a PM? What are you complaining about? It's far better than accounts being removed.

Allow me to remind Mr Garcia: I highly doubt that a real qualified psychologist would agree with your accusation on me (simply you failed to read my deepest concern) + called your visitors to attack me + starting a psychological game.

This thread shows SillyDog701's deepest concern about Mr Jay Garcia's safety after Hurricane Katrina.

Thanks Profman and Ramona, and of course Ron for the kind words. The actual invoice was a little over $5000 .. Wow!! is right. My entire family has been located, some in Mississippi and Kentucky and my sister in Jefferson Parish - she's one of the two Medical Examiners at the Coroner's Office so she had to stay, they put her up in a local hotel close by. Her job is going to get more interesting as the days go by ...

And thanks to all the folks here who have PM'd and private emailed me , you know who you are, too bad I'm not allowed to send a reply via PM. Sad ...

Jay

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[JayGarcia]

The title of this thread is: Hurricane Katrina hits New Orleans

This is not a Jay Garcia thread but you have managed to make it so much to your delight. My question to you is why did you find it necessary to even mention "grudges" followed by a reference to past differences when all you had to say was that you were glad to see that I was safe. That's it, end of story, no need to provide a bio or even an explanation as to why you're alluding to being a "good friend". GOOD FRIENDS don't drag up issues of the past. Good thing my flak jacket is turned around to my back. Your knife won't penetrate ....

And YOU brought up the Google Adsense issue, not me, remember we're speaking of this thread and not some past issue/thread. And besides, that issue was resolved quite amicably with Google as well as my users on the UFAQ.

You have managed to bring up almost every past issue in this thread BEFORE I posted a reply which proves to me AND everyone else that has PM'd AND private mailed me that you do in fact still harbor ill feelings and grudges.

Talk about Katrina, not me as I am doing just fine.

Jay

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[JayGarcia]

To those folks that are PM'ing me, especially from the guy that's a former "pain" ... THANKS !!!!

Jay

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