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by **RottweilerKing** » Wed 01 Jan, 2003 7:45 am

K-Meleon has made me a believer! It's what Mozilla should've done from the get-go. It's light w/o the heavy XUL stuff that makes Netscape seem seem slower and less comfortable browsing. It also really lives up to it's name with being whatever YOU want. Soooo many options in the pref.js folder, like instant page rendering which is great in conjunction with pipelining. This browser was made to be optimized, I like it more each day I use it. I also found a site with some good tips and tweaks in addition to those that you can find on K-Meleon's own site.

http://www.bahamapress.org/andres/kmeleon/tips.html

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021016 K-Meleon 0.7

by **Fulvio** » Wed 01 Jan, 2003 11:45 am

RottweilerKing wrote:K-Meleon has made me a believer! It's what Mozilla should've done from the get-go. It's light w/o the heavy XUL stuff that makes Netscape seem seem slower and less comfortable browsing. It also really lives up to it's name with being whatever YOU want. Soooo many options in the pref.js folder, like instant page rendering which is great in conjunction with pipelining. This browser was made to be optimized, I like it more each day I use it. I also found a site with some good tips and tweaks in addition to those that you can find on K-Meleon's own site.

http://www.bahamapress.org/andres/kmeleon/tips.html

I agree with you, for the most part, but K-meleon has some serious bugs which turned me off. One example is the fact that it will literally lift the Personal toolbar from whichever Netscape it looks at it. The three personal from IE, Netscape and Opera are a nice idea, but they cannot be changed, and Opera's is actually invisible. I have not looked at the content of the program, and, I removed it, so I cannot say if XUL is a problem or not. I would expect anything to be faster than Netscape, which built in mail, and zillion of plugins. I can slow down K-meleon without any problem, if I want it to be like Netscape. And, there is Phoenix, in the wings, which is becoming smaller and smaller and it is very versatile.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 (CK-SillyDog)

by **orizng** » Wed 01 Jan, 2003 7:44 pm

two points make me remove it from my pc

1. I find no way to tell it not to start up when system start.
2.it often gave me errors of "page not found" while NS works well with the same proxy setting.

except for above, k-meleon is pretty good, and really faster.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; zh-CN; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01

by **Shark Daddy** » Wed 01 Jan, 2003 10:43 pm

1)That's the what they call the Loader; it's a version of QuickLaunch. You can disable it.
2)I'd try the latest one, if you really want to use a browser in the state of K-Meleon. I bet that was a bug in that build of Mozilla.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030101

by **Wellander** » Thu 02 Jan, 2003 11:47 pm

Hi,
I could not get k-mealon to install or run it is not a good browser to use but if you like it then use it.

UserAgent: Mozilla/4.08 [en] (Win98; U)

by **Mandrake** » Fri 03 Jan, 2003 10:04 am

K-Meleon is without a doubt, the fastest gecko based browser around. Then I would say, Phoenix. Then I would guess Mozilla. (IMO Netscape just adds a ton of crap noone really needs to Mozilla).

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20030101 Phoenix/0.5

by **orizng** » Fri 03 Jan, 2003 7:17 pm

Shark Daddy wrote:1)That's the what they call the Loader; it's a version of QuickLaunch. You can disable it.
...

I know it is, but I think I need your help to point it out how to disable it. I checked all the reference options, but found no one to have any relate to this Loader.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01

by **Fulvio** » Fri 03 Jan, 2003 11:16 pm

orizng wrote:
Shark Daddy wrote:1)That's the what they call the Loader; it's a version of QuickLaunch. You can disable it.
...

I know it is, but I think I need your help to point it out how to disable it. I checked all the reference options, but found no one to have any relate to this Loader.

Start/Run/type msconfig and select Startup tab. Look for a "K-meleon Loader" item, and uncheck it. That should do it.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 (CK-SillyDog)

by Al » Sat 04 Jan, 2003 12:00 am

Mandrake wrote:K-Meleon is without a doubt, the fastest gecko based browser around. Then I would say, Phoenix. Then I would guess Mozilla. (IMO Netscape just adds a ton of crap noone really needs to Mozilla).

No it doesn't.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 (CK-SillyDog)

by **RottweilerKing** » Sat 04 Jan, 2003 2:38 am

Since you have to download it again anyway you should just not checkmark the loader option on the list of setup options. I always uncheck anything I don't plan on using, in my case that's the tabbed interface(layers) and history.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021016 K-Meleon 0.7

by **orizng** » Sat 04 Jan, 2003 3:11 am

RottweilerKing wrote:Since you have to download it again anyway you should just not checkmark the loader option on the list of setup options. I always uncheck anything I don't plan on using, in my case that's the tabbed interface(layers) and history.

I will try again later.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; zh-CN; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20021207 Phoenix/0.5

by **Mandrake** » Sat 04 Jan, 2003 6:14 am

Hmmm...... In 98/Me you can easily use msconfig to disable it, but in NT4/2k you will need to search the registery.

As for NS including Bloat .... They include a crapload of media players etc, that noone really needs - since Windows Media Player comes with Windows, and is adequete. For Linux/Unix fine. They also include a heap of AOL advertisments that you have to muck around with prefrence files to remove, they also include a propiratery IM/Mail Client, with advertisments in the IM Client (launch it from in the browser - do not use the "buddy list". They also give you a heap of sidebar tabs noone wants.

The entire Netscape download is 30 odd Mb. The latest Mozilla builds for Windows are about 11.5mb, the latest Phoenix buils are about 6.5 mb - do you notice any difference? I sure as hell do!

Then you will say that Sillydog Streamline is only 12mb, But why should I have to download a CCK'ed browser to get what I wanted from Netscape in the first place? I'll just stick with Mozilla/Phoenix thankyou.

UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0)

by **RottweilerKing** » Sat 04 Jan, 2003 5:37 pm

Mandrake.. Even worse than that is all of the stuff u can't be rid of.. The XUL themes style NS uses makes the buttons feel heavy and slows the entire program down using more ram than it should. To make matters worse on themselves they ship NS 7 with 2 of the heavier themes. If they used different widgets they would be in better shape, even with all the other corporate trappings. I say scrap that XUL stuff and make NS feel like Communicator again, the gecko rendering engine is the best but they used a bad interface for it...

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021016 K-Meleon 0.7

by **Mandrake** » Sat 04 Jan, 2003 6:41 pm

I could agree with that. In memory, on Windows 2000, Kmeleon uses about 10mb of memory, Mozilla and Phoenix use 20 or so mb.

UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0)

by **orizng** » Sat 04 Jan, 2003 7:47 pm

Mandrake wrote:I could agree with that. In memory, on Windows 2000, Kmeleon uses about 10mb of memory, Mozilla and Phoenix use 20 or so mb.

on Win XP, it use 16Mb when start, and use 25Mb when loading a page.

Also, K-meleon was build on a strange version of mozilla, the version that older or newer than it both support Marquee, but K-meleon does not.

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