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[Lorraine]

Hatewa wrote

I have been away from this site for a while, and frankly am surprised at some of lorraine's comments. I can see where your poems might frighten some, as the world, you touch and draw from, is not accessible to all. Perhaps your poems frighten her, and the response she has given you is more "personal" than personal, if you catch my drift.

You have to be kidding Hatewa. You may think that junk like that frightens me. I am an athiest, nothing frightens me anymore.
I could write something that might frighten you though, from real life.

I hate to see junk written and called "poetry" ~ It certainly doesn't frighten me.

A reputable publishing house wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. Why do you think so many manuscripts are rejected?
Do you really think that all manuscripts sent to a publisher are read?
Especially with so many spelling errors.
It doesn't work that way.

Any good editor will just toss it aside. Writing which is well written, sells itself. There is no need to pay a publisher.
The publishers will make enough money on a Best Seller without charging the author.

Yes, you are right in saying it would drive the Editor batty if read, which I doubt!

BTW Nicole, I read at least five of your so called 'poems' in here.

-Lorraine

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[keith]

Lorraine, you are way out of line here, i think.

You have to be kidding Hatewa. You may think that junk like that frightens me. I am an athiest, nothing frightens me anymore.
I could write something that might frighten you though, from real life.

I hate to see junk written and called "poetry" ~ It certainly doesn't frighten me.

Ok, her stuff is not junk. I don't like to her peoples stuff called junk or trash. Peoples feelings get hurt over stuff like this.

Yes, I said djv and Keith were dumb. Well, smart people usually know how to spell !

And as i said before, i do not appriceiate being called dumb. Yes i make the odd spelling error, or some typoes, but that doesn't mean i am dumb. Now moderatoors, those are 3 things right there. Called me dumb twice. and called dusatin dumb. I don't like this much. Antony, you have a good site, but lorraine is slowly taking the enjoyment out of it. I don't have a problem with anyone on this site, but somethin has got to stop, and i think we all know what that is.
nicole is a very nice girl, and i don't know what she did to deserve this. I'm with ya all the way, nicole!


Keith.

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[Hatewa]

Writing which is well written, sells itself.

Tell that to Herman Melville, Lorraine. His novel, Moby Dick, one of the greatest novels of all time, was published to unfavorable reviews, and Melville, was unable to make a living as a writer. It wasn't until the 1920s, long after his death, that his epic novel began to be appreciated.


There are stages in the growth of a writer Lorraine, and unless you know precisely where a person is in his or her artistic development, when you decide to judge and criticize, you risk poisoning the water in a well that may contain valuable minerals, that in your rush to judgment, you might ignore, or overlook.

Also, when I talked of an editor, I did not mean an editor in a publishing house. I was referring to an editor who works with a writer before the work is sent to a publisher.

What you are afraid of, or not afraid of, I don't care one whit. But your words do remind me of a few teachers I had in junior high and high school, who seemed to enjoy shooting kids down—killing their spirit, just as they were at that delicate experimental stage, feeling their soul—their fledgling wings. I often wondered what bitterness in their heart and/or soul made those teachers feel the need to do that.
Maybe it was the raw, elemental honesty of the material that disturbed them—primitive elements, denied in themselves.
I don't know, but, be that as it may, what is the matter with a little encouragement, Lorraine?

Hatewa

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[Hatewa]

It is very unlikely that an unknown writer, . . . . . . . . will convince any publisher, anywhere, to publish your works and collect the fee out of royalties. It just isn't done that way.

Just to clarify: I was not referring to traditional publishers, most of whom do not charge fees of any kind. I was referring here, only to "print on demand" publishers, (POD), who do charge fees, like Author House, Xlibris, iUniverse etc.
POD publishing is a good way for unknown authors to get their work out to the public, without suffering the slings and arrows of the corporate publishing world.

One further word on spelling, grammar, etc..
There are some people on this site who get ticked off at people who don't take extra time to do spell checks, and they do their best to remind the offender, or offenders.
Well, all I can say to that is, what's easy for one, ain't necessarily easy for another. There are problems, otherwise intelligent people, have with dyslexia. There are time crunch problems, language differences, and personality problems of all sorts that might influence a person’s behavior in regard to this. A person might be in prison, or using a computer in a library with others pressing them for computer time. (Not to mention the amount of computer expertise a person may have.)
So unless we actually know what conditions a contributor to this site is working under, perhaps we should refrain from casting that first stone.
I don't mean that people like Profman should not give sound advice to people about how to achieve perfect spelling. That sort of advice is sorely wanted and needed by many of us.
Rather, it is the berating and ridiculing of misspellers that sometimes gets out of line here.
I am not immune from a tendency to ridicule, (usually in the form of some sort of ironic diatribe, peculiar to my Irish heritage)—especially if I feel I have been attacked unfairly, or feel that I have been out and out insulted. But to use it to put oneself up at the expense of putting another down seems to me, at the least, disingenuous, or at worst ill willed.
Also, there are some brilliant, (and I do mean brilliant), people on this site, who occasionally misspell, and they are easily forgiven, because we all know just how tremendous their minds are and why they shouldn't have to be bothered by all of that.
Hatewa

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[djv1]

. I am an athiest, nothing frightens me anymore.


I hate to see junk written and called "poetry" ~ It certainly doesn't frighten me.

-Lorraine

come n Lorraine omething frighten's everyone, and as far as I'm considered this isn't junk poetry, so think what you wish but you don't need to voice or opinion about everything.

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[Devilgrrl87]

I have let lorraine have her say, now IM going to voice some OPPINIONS. First off, thanks go out to DJV1, keith, hatewa,and all the others who have stood up for me. lorraine wrote: ( A reputable publishing house wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. Why do you think so many manuscripts are rejected?
Do you really think that all manuscripts sent to a publisher are read?
Especially with so many spelling errors.
It doesn't work that way. )
hate to tell you lorraine, but I have poems published in two seperate books by two different publishing companies. One book is called Reflections, and the other is called Great poets of the western world. Both are set to go to press in 6 weeks. I could quote you some of the compliments I received on the poems, but you would just scoff, so I will not take up any more of my time on you than nesisary, and I dont care if that is spelled correctly or not! As for a book, I have an unfinished manuscript, which has already had offers to publish it by Bantam Books, and Dorchester publishing. Im still debating on who to go with. Lorraine, I since that you are a very malicious person at theart, and for that I am truely sorry. I am grateful for all of the encouragement I have received on my writing, and I will listen to all oppinions, with lorraine's being an exception. Lorraine, I dont care how many of my poems you have read, did you think I would? Thanks again, to everyone who has encouraged me to write.

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[Lorraine]

Nicole wrote:

when did I put a poem in a different thread? the only thing I have posted anywhere else on this site is on penguin, which is a joke, not a poem. maybe I have just misunderstood the reply...???

reply by Lorraine
Perhaps you misunderstood, however I think
When you start another message with the subject line as:"Search"
State what it is...I didn't expect to see another of your so called poems.
Perhaps you don't care how many of your "poems" I have read, however you stated in one of the messages that you had only posted once in the lounge and once in Penguin.
You evidently aren't very good at maths either.

I don't have the time for such frivolous chatter with someone as
ignorant as you are, you should go back to school, study hard, learn maths, and especially how to spell.

As for letting me have my say, I just replied to clarify your misinformation.

I doubt that you have books ready to be published. You don't seem to even know how to spell "separate" or "opinions"

It is ridiculous of me to even reply anymore to you as I believe every word that you have written isnt true; you are also discriminating against me about my opinions. Don't put messages or so called "poems" in Message Boards if you don't want negative opinions. There will always be somebody who doesn't like your j...ooops stuff!
Perhaps you should ask Hatewa to edit your works. He seems to enjoy it.

Hatewa:
I understand we all make errors. I do and even you do. I never said anything at the time as you write well, usually.
Hatewa, I need no lectures from you on the origin of people or their maladies.
I understand and I have never said anything to anyone with a foreign
sounding name, or to Antony about his grammar or spelling.

If I could speak a sentence of Chinese or write one, I would probably find it overwhelming. He is doing very well with his english but with the spelling that is going on in this group, Antony must have difficulty.

It seems to me many people have commented about Keiths writing and spelling, in fact once I was so annoyed at them I was going to write that
perhaps he was dyslexic. I didn't. I believe there are several in the group that are, if that is indeed the case.

I don't believe any of the two 'so called ' dyslexics in here are in prison.
Djv is excepted as I notice he is able to write at times. They spend far too much time in here to be in prison. Perhaps they are still in elementary school and skipping classes. Or play games on the puter.

I have never seen Ramona make a spelling error, I have never noticed Profman make any either. Also, a few others. Perhaps there are brilliant people in here, however I don't think you can call people who don't know how to spell, "BRILLIANT" (Antony you are excepted, his language isn't english and he is busy

Fulvio makes errors in his spelling, I am aware and I would never say anything to him, as I know time is of the utmost to him. I know he can write correctly when he has time.

I have time, yes and I have made errors, but I try not to and I don't use a spellchecker either. I am visually impaired and just struggle along trying to do my best.
hatewa wrote:

and frankly am surprised at some of lorraine's comments. I can see where your poems might frighten some, as the world, you touch and draw from, is not accessible to all. Perhaps your poems frighten her,
lorraine wrote;

As I said previously, I am not afraid of anything. Nothing frightens me anymore. Not after what I have experienced in my lifetime.

hatewa wrote;
What you are afraid of, or not afraid of, I don't care one whit
>>>>

I don't expect you to care one whit or even give a damn, I really don't care what you think. I just wanted to state; "It didn't frighten me."
As for Moby Dick, I can just imagine why you liked that book.
I can't say that I did like it or was even interested in reading it.
I did in school, but as I wasn't interested in oceanography or whaling,
I found it a slow reading book. By the way, I have no bitterness in my heart. I am a very compassionate person.
-Lorraine

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[Hatewa]

Lorraine,

It was malicious and wrong of you to twist a general statement that I made, and make it seem as though it applied to Keith and Djv, which it did not. It was you who drew that implication, Lorraine, and it was unfair to them and to me.

What is becoming evident in your posts, Lorraine, is a reservoir of anger that has turned into a geyser and is gushing all over anyone in its vicinity. Lately, you seem to relish confrontation and dispute. I hope you get over it real soon, and show more of that compassionate person you say you are.

Regards,
Hatewa

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[keith]

Hey. Just to clarify, yes i do make many spelling errors, because my typing skills are terrible. In general i am a good speller, but i am not very good at proof reading. i do usually skim for errors but often miss many. However, as far asi know i am not dislexic, although it may apear that way. But lorraine, keep in mind its not exactly nice to call someone dumb, expecially if they do have dislexia or something. Theres my 2 bits! haha


Keith

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[Lorraine]

Hatewa wrote

It was malicious and wrong of you to twist a general statement that I made, and make it seem as though it applied to Keith and Djv, which it did not. It was you who drew that implication, Lorraine, and it was unfair to them and to me.

I never mentioned Keith and Djv as being dyslexic Hatewa, it is you that assumed that was who I meant.
I wrote: "I believe there are several in the group that are, if that is indeed the case."


I have wasted too much of my valuable time in replying to
devilgrrl87's junk and what was once a friendly place has now become a
place of bitterness and anger from some of the people in here.
I stated my opinion and the two children took it from there.

That's it, that's my last reply. I thought this was an adults group.
Thank you Antony for your help.
-Lorraine

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[Lorraine]

Hatewa wrote

What is becoming evident in your posts, Lorraine, is a reservoir of anger that has turned into a geyser and is gushing all over anyone in its vicinity. Lately, you seem to relish confrontation and dispute. I hope you get over it real soon, and show more of that compassionate person you say you are.
~~

I stated my opinion about the junk poetry that devilgrrl87 wrote.
I agree it was negative.
I didn't start all the confrontations in this group over that "poet"[sic]

It seems that some people liked it, I didn't and perhaps I am the only
one, as nobody else seems to have said anything against it.

But then I am probably the only Canadian in this group.

So perhaps we are having a little anti Canadianism because of the situation in Iraq.

That's just a thought and you can say whatever you like, you won't be hearing from me again.
-Lorraine

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[djv1]

I have wasted too much of my valuable time in replying to
devilgrrl87's junk and what was once a friendly place has now become a
place of bitterness and anger from some of the people in here.
I stated my opinion and the two children took it from there.

That's it, that's my last reply. I thought this was an adults group.
Thank you Antony for your help.
-Lorraine

Lorraine, I don't know if your trying to pull my strings or not but you sure are doing a good job of it. First of all Devilgrrl87's poems aren't junk so stop saying that they are just because you don't like them, you say that this place has become a place of bitterness and anger because of other members! We'll Lorraine it's not just other members it's you too. You are calling us childern, which we are not! You also say that you thought this was an adult group, which once again it isn't, like Antony has stated before: SILLYDOG701 is open to all ages. You also said that we took over after your opinion. Which we didn't we just said that we thought that it wasn't trash and you took it fron there. So come on Lorraine we don't have to fight about this. Lets just get over it and move on and Enjoy Sillydog 701!

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[keith]

Quit criticizing other peoples work and opinions. If you don't like them, don't look at em, i'm getting sick and tired of you whining and complaining about everything. Quit insulting us. I'll be damned if i am gonna put up with more of this. I agree with Dustin, it would be better if we all would just get along!!

That's it, that's my last reply. I thought this was an adults group.
Thank you Antony for your help.

I thought that was your last reply. And just for the record, i am a Canadaian, proud of it too. and we aren't kids.
Keith

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[Hatewa]

Hatewa, it is you that assumed that was who I meant.

Look back on your post of May 31, Lorraine. Read it carefully. You did precisely what I said you did, and again, I'll say, it was unfair and malicious of you to do so. I'll have no more to say on this subject, and I wish someone would close this thread. It has descended to the mailbox at Hells Gate.
Hatewa

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[Andrew T.]

This thread has devolved into nothing but a mess of personal attacks and rebuttals unrelated to the original subject matter.

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