My impression of 3.5, as installed by me.

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My impression of 3.5, as installed by me.

Postby Fulvio » Wed 01 Jul, 2009 12:56 pm

I have had some interesting experience with 3.5, which, most likely, will not be experienced by others.
As mentioned before, I had, thoroughly tested the 3.5 nightlies, but never found it necessary to install 3.5, as I, always, do with programs in development. 3.5 looked good, and, perhaps, faster, but gave credit to the fact that there were few compatible add-ons .
3.0.11 was, still, my default browser.
I installed 3.5 in a separate folder, using the same profile, previously, used for the nightlies.
I believe that there was box which selected 3.5 as default, on installation, so I unchecked the box. I noticed a marked slow down with 3.5, but did not try 3.0.11 until a few minutes ago, when I was trying to get some bookmarks which were found only in 3.0.11, into 3.5.
To my surprise, the 3.0.11 shortcut led me to check some add-ons, a sign that I was not working with the customary path. I checked the 3.0.11 path from Properties, and found that it had the 3.5 path. To give an example, 3.0.11 used the default path in Program Files, while 3.5 used an abandoned folder. The Firefox 3.0.11 had the same path as 3.5. It was nuisance, as I had to enter, manually, the proper Target plus profilename, and start in. Only after doing that 3.0.11 opened as it had before.
As 3.5 goes, I don't know the reason of its sluggish behavior. I will have to flip flop the two versions, and see if there is any explanation (paranoia on part of 3.5?).
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Postby Fulvio » Wed 01 Jul, 2009 1:21 pm

Anyone can explain this? I selected the USAToday site as a bookmark, like I have 3.0.11.
In 3.5, automatic refresh which is vital is blocked. I clicked on Allow, and that's good for only a few seconds. After the third Allow, I Xed out, and the Allow bar is no longer visible. Note: the same bar came up after I submitted the post. Is there any setting to prevent blocking of automatically redirecting? I never saw this in the nightlies.
What do you know? I had posted about the same issue before, and 3.5 faked me out again. The setting is, downright annoying. Unchecking the box speeds up 3.5
Typing in 3.5 is very sluggish.
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Postby richard mitnick » Thu 02 Jul, 2009 11:49 am

Fulvio,

I do not know what you mean about blocked refreshes. I use my web mail from my ISP all day long at work, and I keep it open and refresh it every so often. I never saw a block of any kind.

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Postby Tidosho » Thu 02 Jul, 2009 12:13 pm

My upgrade from 3.0.10 to 3.5 made all my stored web addresses and passwords disappear, it's never happened before.

3.5 is a big step in the right direction, from what I've seen of it, apart from the above issue. It's faster to start, looks and feels cleaner and more responsive.

If anyone has issues, try clearing cache, etc before installing. I found that actually uninstalling the old version manually instead of just upgrading, and clearing junk from the profile worked to solve my above issue with another machine.
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Postby richard mitnick » Thu 02 Jul, 2009 12:55 pm

O.K., it is time for the "Great Reveal".

I had been having a lot of crashes from 3.0.10 on, with one web site.

So, before I did 3.5, I completely cleaned out FF, including editing the Registry for every trace of FF.

So, I got the .exe, I did the install, got my bookmarks from IE8, used Roboform to set all of my user id's and passwords for FF to "remember". I installed no extensions, and I left in place the default theme.

And, guess what? Immediately, first crack out of the bag, I got a crash. I am trying now to replicate the crash, which happens on refreshes of the site. If I get a crash report, I will post it.

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Postby Tidosho » Thu 02 Jul, 2009 1:01 pm

richard mitnick wrote:O.K., it is time for the "Great Reveal".

I had been having a lot of crashes from 3.0.10 on, with one web site.

So, before I did 3.5, I completely cleaned out FF, including editing the Registry for every trace of FF.

So, I got the .exe, I did the install, got my bookmarks from IE8, used Roboform to set all of my user id's and passwords for FF to "remember". I installed no extensions, and I left in place the default theme.

And, guess what? Immediately, first crack out of the bag, I got a crash. I am trying now to replicate the crash, which happens on refreshes of the site. If I get a crash report, I will post it.

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I've had crashes of the Updater. It downloads an update, sets Firefox.exe to Firefox.exe.bak, then performs the update. I've had it crash at this point, leaving Firefox incomplete, and unlaunchable. renaming to firefox.exe allows it to launch, but the process happens again.

Anyone else experienced this? It has happened with 3.0, and not yet with 3.5 (I've probably tempted fate!)
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Postby Fulvio » Thu 02 Jul, 2009 1:51 pm

Tidosho wrote:My upgrade from 3.0.10 to 3.5 made all my stored web addresses and passwords disappear, it's never happened before.


There should have been no problem for me, as I installed 3.5 in a separate folder, and, I was using a separate profile. I, always, want to test the older, and the most recent version, side by side. I tried to make them as equal as possible, but it is impossible, as a number of add-ons are not compatible with the new version, and the bookmarks file is not as large, also, in the new version.

3.5 is a big step in the right direction, from what I've seen of it, apart from the above issue. It's faster to start, looks and feels cleaner and more responsive.


I have had, mostly, the opposite experience, but who am I? I, had, also, found that my Safari installation was sluggishly. Understandably my 3.5 may start a bit faster, because it has less baggage.

If anyone has issues, try clearing cache, etc before installing. I found that actually uninstalling the old version manually instead of just upgrading, and clearing junk from the profile worked to solve my above issue with another machine.


I empty Cache on exit, and I agree that a major version should not be updated from a previous one. And, it is best to create a different profile, until satisfied with the new version.
It is hard to tell what is compatible, and what is not in a profile. But never leave two versions, and share a single profile.
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Postby Tidosho » Thu 02 Jul, 2009 1:57 pm

Fulvio wrote:
Tidosho wrote:My upgrade from 3.0.10 to 3.5 made all my stored web addresses and passwords disappear, it's never happened before.


There should have been no problem for me, as I installed 3.5 in a separate folder, and, I was using a separate profile. I, always, want to test the older, and the most recent version, side by side. I tried to make them as equal as possible, but it is impossible, as a number of add-ons are not compatible with the new version, and the bookmarks file is not as large, also, in the new version.

3.5 is a big step in the right direction, from what I've seen of it, apart from the above issue. It's faster to start, looks and feels cleaner and more responsive.


I have had, mostly, the opposite experience, but who am I? I, had, also, found that my Safari installation was sluggishly. Understandably my 3.5 may start a bit faster, because it has less baggage.

If anyone has issues, try clearing cache, etc before installing. I found that actually uninstalling the old version manually instead of just upgrading, and clearing junk from the profile worked to solve my above issue with another machine.


I empty Cache on exit, and I agree that a major version should not be updated from a previous one. And, it is best to create a different profile, until satisfied with the new version.
It is hard to tell what is compatible, and what is not in a profile. But never leave two versions, and share a single profile.


That's good practise, Fulvio. I don't like doing upgrades on software, or repair installs on operating systems, but this time I wanted to see what happened, and it mucked up. Luckily I had System Restore active, and rolled back, and ultimately learnt from it all.

Moral of the story: Use MozBackup! It is a wonderful, wonderful tool!
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Postby Fulvio » Thu 02 Jul, 2009 7:04 pm

Mozbackup serves well to do backups of profiles, but I never had the need for it, as I create new profiles for new software. My profiles are, also, backed up on an external drive.
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Postby Fulvio » Thu 02 Jul, 2009 8:31 pm

Richard, did you check, actually uncheck, the box in Avanced|General|Warn me...
I have not had any crash, defined as a disappearance of the program, but, surely, had serious issues with that setting, on refreshes, or to be more precise, redirect or reload pages.
I have had no more problem with 3.5, after unchecking that box.
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Postby richard mitnick » Thu 02 Jul, 2009 9:55 pm

Fulvio-

The box was not checked on install, and I am running as default as possible, except for Roboform, my crutch (hey- I am old!!).

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Postby Fulvio » Fri 03 Jul, 2009 12:45 pm

richard mitnick wrote:Fulvio-

The box was not checked on install, and I am running as default as possible, except for Roboform, my crutch (hey- I am old!!).

>>RSM


Richard, do you know that Roboform Pro is available at no cost?

Those sneaks! The second license is free!
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Postby richard mitnick » Fri 03 Jul, 2009 1:30 pm

Yes, thanks.

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Postby humpd » Fri 03 Jul, 2009 11:16 pm

I installed 3.5 as an update and everything is working just fine. No problems what-so-ever. I think it may be faster at rendering pages but I am not sure. In any event, so far, so good.
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Postby James » Sat 04 Jul, 2009 12:47 am

As soon as it was released in final form, I installed it as well without any issues whatsoever. I'm not certain it is faster at rendering and I haven't had a chance to explore its other features. Good work, Mozilla team.
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