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My web site looks awful in Netscape!
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My web site looks awful in Netscape!
by sbilheimer » Sat 06 Sep, 2003 10:33 am
I am developing a site and it looks fine in IE, but when I look in Netscape, it sucks! Can anyone tell me how to make it compatible for both browsers? The spacing is totally off and the menu isn't where it's supposed to be. (www.perimenopausesupport.com)
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by DJGM » Sat 06 Sep, 2003 3:27 pm
Having looked at the document source of your webpage, I'm really not surprised it looks good in IE
and rubbish in Netscape. You've created your website with Microsoft Office. Not a good move. You'll
more than likely need to rewrite your entire site, so that it'll look good in all browsers, not just IE.
If you create webpages using Microsoft Office applications, such as FrontPage and/or Word, you will
end up with all your pages written in proprietary code that doesn't comply with any recommended
web coding standards. All versions of Netscape from 6.x upwards, and other web browsers built
with the Mozilla Gecko HTML rendering engine, observe web standards very closely. If you have
tested your pages in Netscape 7.x they will look bad in Netscape. On the other hand, MSIE has
a very bad habit of allowing badly coded pages slip through the net, and has poor compliance
with most web standards as reccommended by the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C).
I recommend you use the W3C HTML Validation Service at validator.w3.org. This will point out
the errors in your code, and should help you clean up the non-standard and proprietary code.
and rubbish in Netscape. You've created your website with Microsoft Office. Not a good move. You'll
more than likely need to rewrite your entire site, so that it'll look good in all browsers, not just IE.
If you create webpages using Microsoft Office applications, such as FrontPage and/or Word, you will
end up with all your pages written in proprietary code that doesn't comply with any recommended
web coding standards. All versions of Netscape from 6.x upwards, and other web browsers built
with the Mozilla Gecko HTML rendering engine, observe web standards very closely. If you have
tested your pages in Netscape 7.x they will look bad in Netscape. On the other hand, MSIE has
a very bad habit of allowing badly coded pages slip through the net, and has poor compliance
with most web standards as reccommended by the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C).
I recommend you use the W3C HTML Validation Service at validator.w3.org. This will point out
the errors in your code, and should help you clean up the non-standard and proprietary code.
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Ah well
by sbilheimer » Sat 06 Sep, 2003 5:09 pm
Yes, I do use Frontpage because I can write and create as it ostensibly will look. I also use SiteAid, which is just a straight editor, but this is soooooooooo much easier. But I know you are right. I did put the page through the validator earlier today, and yes, it's a complete train wreck. Well, I'm not going to market until November (hopefully), so I can try to figure out how to fix it. I'm terrible with tables and FrontPage does that so well. Any additional ideas are welcome <grin>. Thanks for your feedback.
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by DJGM » Sat 06 Sep, 2003 6:12 pm
Not wanting to stifle your enthusiasm, but the site doesn't look too crash hot on the Macintosh
version of Internet Explorer 5.x either. Mind you, the version of IE for Mac is one heck of a lot
better than it's extremely insecure, buggy as hell Windows counterpart, and it understands
some of the W3C recommended web standards somewhat better than IE for Windows.
Basically, even though it may be a bit of an uphill struggle to replace the proprietary MSHTML
code with proper standards compliant code, once you've got your webpages looking as you'd
like in a good standards compliant (and more secure) browser like Mozilla, and looking the
same as they currently do in IE, you'll know you're taking a step in the right direction.
Here's some Google search results with the key words "Using Web Standards" . . .
Good luck . . . !
version of Internet Explorer 5.x either. Mind you, the version of IE for Mac is one heck of a lot
better than it's extremely insecure, buggy as hell Windows counterpart, and it understands
some of the W3C recommended web standards somewhat better than IE for Windows.
Basically, even though it may be a bit of an uphill struggle to replace the proprietary MSHTML
code with proper standards compliant code, once you've got your webpages looking as you'd
like in a good standards compliant (and more secure) browser like Mozilla, and looking the
same as they currently do in IE, you'll know you're taking a step in the right direction.
Here's some Google search results with the key words "Using Web Standards" . . .
Good luck . . . !
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Re: Ah well
by Fulvio » Sat 06 Sep, 2003 10:33 pm
sbilheimer wrote:Yes, I do use Frontpage because I can write and create as it ostensibly will look. I also use SiteAid, which is just a straight editor, but this is soooooooooo much easier. But I know you are right. I did put the page through the validator earlier today, and yes, it's a complete train wreck. Well, I'm not going to market until November (hopefully), so I can try to figure out how to fix it. I'm terrible with tables and FrontPage does that so well. Any additional ideas are welcome <grin>. Thanks for your feedback.
Susan,
I saw this, in the Netscape message board. snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/zg1mw8 ... 40tude.net
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by Lorraine » Mon 08 Sep, 2003 1:09 pm
Very nice site and it shows up fine in IE6.0
I must say that I made my webpages with Netscape, very amateurish of course, but it was several years ago, one is made with Composer. They also need to be brought up to W3C standards.
They don't show up very well at all in IE 6.0 or NS7.02
When I had Mozilla 1.4.1 they looked fine on my puter.
I was very
shocked
The one I made with Composer was very easy to make as I did it in one evening. I was having fun.
Of course I did edit it later, but only after it was published and that was a little trying.
How does Composer work now in NS7.02 ?
Fulvio: I can't access the secnewgroups. Jay won't let me. Can you send me the sites as long as they are not in secnews.
TIA
-Lorraine
I must say that I made my webpages with Netscape, very amateurish of course, but it was several years ago, one is made with Composer. They also need to be brought up to W3C standards.
They don't show up very well at all in IE 6.0 or NS7.02
When I had Mozilla 1.4.1 they looked fine on my puter.
I was very
shocked
The one I made with Composer was very easy to make as I did it in one evening. I was having fun.
Of course I did edit it later, but only after it was published and that was a little trying.
How does Composer work now in NS7.02 ?
Fulvio: I can't access the secnewgroups. Jay won't let me. Can you send me the sites as long as they are not in secnews.
TIA
-Lorraine
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by Lorraine » Mon 08 Sep, 2003 1:10 pm
Very nice site and it shows up fine in IE6.0
I must say that I made my webpages with Netscape, very amateurish of course, but it was several years ago, one is made with Composer. They also need to be brought up to W3C standards.
They don't show up very well at all in IE 6.0 or NS7.02
When I had Mozilla 1.4.1 they looked fine on my puter.
I was very shocked
The one I made with Composer was very easy to make as I did it in one evening. I was having fun.
Of course I did edit it later, but only after it was published and that was a little trying.
How does Composer work now in NS7.02 ?
Fulvio: I can't access the secnewgroups. Jay won't let me. Can you send me the sites as long as they are not in secnews.
TIA
-Lorraine
I must say that I made my webpages with Netscape, very amateurish of course, but it was several years ago, one is made with Composer. They also need to be brought up to W3C standards.
They don't show up very well at all in IE 6.0 or NS7.02
When I had Mozilla 1.4.1 they looked fine on my puter.
I was very
shocked
The one I made with Composer was very easy to make as I did it in one evening. I was having fun.
Of course I did edit it later, but only after it was published and that was a little trying.
How does Composer work now in NS7.02 ?
Fulvio: I can't access the secnewgroups. Jay won't let me. Can you send me the sites as long as they are not in secnews.
TIA
-Lorraine
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by Andrew T. » Thu 11 Sep, 2003 8:38 pm
This reminds me of my experience with making web pages.
Once I went about writing a web site from scratch using a text editor (which is still what I do today). I tried it out with Netscape 3.04 and 4.x, and it rendered exactly as I meant it to. Later, however, I tried out Mozilla (and later Netscape 7), and I was horrified to discover that much of my formatting and even some font faces and colors didn't render the way I wanted them to. This particularly disturbed me as Mozilla is relatively standards-complient. I eventually sat down and made extensive revisions, avoiding common HTML errors and unconventionalities, until my efforts looked good enough in Netscape 4.x, 7.x, and Mozilla. Still, I wouldn't like to send it through an HTML validator, though. Since I did it from scratch, the results would not be pretty.
Once I went about writing a web site from scratch using a text editor (which is still what I do today). I tried it out with Netscape 3.04 and 4.x, and it rendered exactly as I meant it to. Later, however, I tried out Mozilla (and later Netscape 7), and I was horrified to discover that much of my formatting and even some font faces and colors didn't render the way I wanted them to. This particularly disturbed me as Mozilla is relatively standards-complient. I eventually sat down and made extensive revisions, avoiding common HTML errors and unconventionalities, until my efforts looked good enough in Netscape 4.x, 7.x, and Mozilla. Still, I wouldn't like to send it through an HTML validator, though. Since I did it from scratch, the results would not be pretty.
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by Lorraine » Thu 11 Sep, 2003 8:57 pm
I had to chuckle while reading about your webpages Andrew.
Yes, my "Alsation's World" is done from scratch and the validator says it can't put it through the validator.
I never took any courses in HTML and I was just experimenting and joined a bunch of pages together.
Actually, someone else joined them together.
I think I started making it with NS2.02 and then later with NS3 I think..
I have to work on it and try and find out how to fix it. The backgrounds don't show on any pages on my PC, I had Mozilla for just a few days, and the site worked perfectly ~
oh well, tomorrow is another day...
-Lorraine
Yes, my "Alsation's World" is done from scratch and the validator says it can't put it through the validator.
I never took any courses in HTML and I was just experimenting and joined a bunch of pages together.
Actually, someone else joined them together.
I think I started making it with NS2.02 and then later with NS3 I think..
I have to work on it and try and find out how to fix it. The backgrounds don't show on any pages on my PC, I had Mozilla for just a few days, and the site worked perfectly ~
oh well, tomorrow is another day...
-Lorraine
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