SillyDog701

[hartlandcat]

Is there some mistake in the Netscape browser archive on this site? Next to Netscape 4.8, it says that it was released in "August 2002" --is that seriously correct? I mean, Netscape 6.0 was released in November 2000... ^_^ lol!

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[Mandrake]

Netscape 6.0 was the first Netscape browser based on the 'Gecko' rendering engine, or 'Raptor' if you go back far enough. Netscape Communicator was supported by Netscape for a long time, and the 4.7x and 4.8 series just contain security updates and minor features (like updated to use Sun's Java, not old netscape Java)

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[Antony]

Not a mistake,
Netscape 4.80 is considered quite *new*.

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[DJGM]

There's very little difference between 4.8 and 4.79, these minimal updates
to the NS Communicator suite, are no longer updated directly by Netscape.

The ongoing 4.x work is being done by iPlanet
to fix bugs demanded by corporate clients with
whom iPlanet has support contracts. Netscape
gets to release those versions to end users
as a by-product of the iPlanet work.

Communicator is no longer promoted by Netscape. Just try to find a link
to download NS4.x anywhere on Netscape's website. It's buried in there
somewhere, and is not easy to find unless you know exactly where it is.

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[izanbardprince]

Not a mistake,
Netscape 4.80 is considered quite *new*.

As a version number, yes, new.

As a program, quite ancient, it's rendering engine is pre-1998, and it chokes any time it sees something that slightly resembles CSS or HTML 4.

You thought IE 4 sucked?

Netscape 4 is it's equal and opposite, it's just as bad, only in different ways.

Even the Netscape programmers admit that the thing is largely unuseable by todays standards, and was too buggy to release on the general public.

IMHO, until Netscape 7 was released, the last good version of Netscape was 3.0

Granted I mainly use IE 6, but it's sort of compulsory anyway, people bashing it as a program generally don't know what they are talking about, it's fast, faily stable, and it's standards support rocks, now Microsoft as a company, and how they used IE to rape their users, well, that was wrong, but IE itself is very good.

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[Mandrake]

*Ahem* IE currently has 19 unpatched Security Vunerabilites ... How can a browser that unsecure be any good?

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[DJGM]

Granted I mainly use IE 6, but it's sort of compulsory anyway,
people bashing it as a program generally don't know what they
are talking about, it's fast, faily stable, and it's standards support
rocks, now Microsoft as a company, and how they used IE to rape
their users, well, that was wrong, but IE itself is very good.

No, you're wrong, the standards support in IE actually sucks, not rocks.
It doesn't even support CSS1 properly, let alone CSS2! Microsoft claims
to have 100% support for CSS1, but that is a falsehood. They're referring
to the CSS1 core (which a reduced subset of CSS1) instead of the entirety
of the CSS1 specification. More information about that can be found here.

As for the 19 unpatched security vulnerabilities, well that is down from
the previous total of 32, but even after two cumulative patches, it went
down to 17 unpatched holes, then soon crept up to 19 unpatched holes.

There is also the fact that IE is now the only browser that doesn't block
pop-up ads, without third party add-ons, whereas NS7, Mozilla, Phoenix
and Opera, all have some kind of popup ad blocker built in by default.

One last thing, it's true that the rendering engine in Netscape 4.x may
well be outdated and technically obsolete, but so too is the rendering
engine in IE, as that still has the v4.x page renderer originally in IE4.
Before you refute that, just look at the first part of IE's UA string.
That shows that it still has a 4th generation layout engine, where
the likes of Mozilla, Netscape 6.x-7.x . . . etc . . . all have more
up to date 5th generation layout/rendering engines built.

So IE is not a good browser at all, it's just a B.I.P.O.S.*


B.I.P.O.C. = Buggy Insecure Piece OF S***

A couple of recommended reads . . .
Microsoft's Really Hidden Files - http://sillydog.org/mshidden.html
What's so Bad about Microsoft? - http://sillydog.org/msbad.html

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