SillyDog701

[Andrew T.]

Does anyone have a copy of the Netscape Browser prototype EULA or license agreement I can consult?

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0

[manny007]

Thank you for your interest in testing the experimental Netscape Prototype Browser. The following terms govern your testing of the Netscape Prototype Browser, Versions 0.5.1 and above (the "Browser"). YOU MAY TEST THE BROWSER ONLY IF YOU AGREE TO THESE TERMS (THE "AGREEMENT"). BY CLICKING "I AGREE," OR BY DOWNLOADING, INSTALLING OR USING THE BROWSER, YOU AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT, YOU AGREE TO RECEIVE NOTICES FROM NETSCAPE ELECTRONICALLY, AND YOU AGREE TO THE PRIVACY PRACTICES DISCLOSED IN PARAGRAPH 6 BELOW. BY AGREEING TO THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT YOU ALSO REPRESENT AND WARRANT THAT YOU WERE INVITED BY NETSCAPE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS TESTING PROGRAM. If you do not agree to these terms, or you were not invited to participate in the testing of this product by Netscape, do not click "I Agree" and do not install or use the Browser.

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Netscape Prototype Browser EULA Rev. 11/12/04

UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; en) Opera 7.60

[jksteinhauer]

Tha's quite an extensive EULA; I was particularly mindful of the bit about not using while driving. I for one have NEVER used ANY browser while driving or operating dangerous equipment but I'm sure someone out there has tried it.

This question segues into a thought I had, getting in too late for the download and subsequent testing; would anyone here be willing to share their copy of NSB.exe?

UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; MSN 9.0;MSN 9.1; MSNbMSNI; MSNmen-us; MSNcOTH; MPLUS)

[Al]

I've got a zipped build, but I can not tell who made it, when it was made, what site. etc

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041108 Firefox/1.0

[Fulvio]

When will the new theme be realeased?

I would be more concerned of when a decently working build would come out, than another theme.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax)

[Fulvio]

It is about 9AM Mon. I go into NB after the usual second attempt.
I first try the earthsea.com link which I had mentioned in an earlier post.
I had said that I could hear the popup window with the clips, but could not see it. Evrentually, after looking around I foujnd a new tab, and on clicking on it, what should have been the popup came up. But, I notice today that Netscape places a new tab with some sale pitch on the far right. After having it removed, I could not see the Earthsea popup. But this strange popup came up on the second attempt. I was going back and forth from this message to the popup, and I got a sound as if, and I was cut off ( a lot of noise).
After three tries I was able to see the clip, albeit in in the six-fold form. In the meantime NB bestowed me with yet another tab, which I could close. It was for Spy Stormer spyware. And, twice this website tab disappeared as I was going to other tabs.
I finally reappered. And, I can tell you, from the unrequested junk to misbehaving, this program has worn its welcome.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20041122 Firefox/0.5.6+

[Umachines]

Hi guys!. Although I'm a newbie in this forum, I'm one of those oldschool Netscape survivors who has used every single version of Navigator, even before the so called browsers war. I want you to know/remember that Microsoft started with it's browser simply copying many features introduced by Netscape when it was the 'must have', just to improve compatibility (what they always do before pushing somebody out of the business).
Nowdays, we must accept that the standard is not the best by far, but it's the standard. I own a small cybercafe, and my clients are always my beta tester (most of them don't even know so). And many of them rejected any Mozillia/Netscape browser I made them use, just 'cause they had problems with pages that use msjava version, javascript, or activeX plugins. Most of comon people don't even care about the program they're using's name is 'Internet Explorer'; the lowercase logo just means internet for them. So if Netscape introduces another product that won't work with IE optimized sites, it's just dead before released. Cool feature. They need it to compete, although most of us hate IE.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20041122 Firefox/0.5.6+

[Antony]

Off topic, to be split soon

Hi guys!. Although I'm a newbie in this forum, I'm one of those oldschool Netscape survivors who has used every single version of Navigator, even before the so called browsers war.

Welcome to SillyDog701.
I hope the collection in Netscape Browser Archive can provide some good resource for you.

I want you to know/remember that Microsoft started with it's browser simply copying many features introduced by Netscape when it was the 'must have', just to improve compatibility (what they always do before pushing somebody out of the business).

We all know that. Not just browser, but also the operating system (from Mac System, then Mac OS X), and their flagship product, Microsoft Word (from WordPerfect)...

Nowdays, we must accept that the standard is not the best by far, but it's the standard.

Thanks god, the standard for electronic document/data transfer is Adobe's PDF, not Microsoft's.

I own a small cybercafe, and my clients are always my beta tester (most of them don't even know so). And many of them rejected any Mozillia/Netscape browser I made them use, just 'cause they had problems with pages that use msjava version, javascript, or activeX plugins. Most of comon people don't even care about the program they're using's name is 'Internet Explorer'; the lowercase logo just means internet for them. So if Netscape introduces another product that won't work with IE optimized sites, it's just dead before released. Cool feature. They need it to compete, although most of us hate IE.

Good point.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/125.5.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/125.12

[Umachines]

Thanks for the welcome words, admin.
About the browser, I think the theme is not so bad, anybody can get used to it. But it is not really relevant, despinting some buttons lack of pressing animation; nothing that can't be fixed in future versions. And I'm sure there will be many themes in any eventual official release. I deleted several buttons and the personal toolbar too, but this is a part of customization. The buttons and menu bar places should be customizable too. I copied all my plugins from my Netscape 7.2 folder (exept for the three dll's that come with the intaller) and they all worked okay. Also plugins from Quicktime and Adobe acrobat have worked to me with no prob.
I went to [Tools]->[Options...]->[Tab browsing] to properly view some sites. I desabled "Open popups in a new tab" option and enabled "Load new tabs in background" So that the animation windows are actually windows, and I can read any new tab when I think it's ready or I'm done with the one that called it before; a "tab flashes when ready" option would be great. Tabbed browsing can be used in many different ways by many different users, so I think a 1st time wizard should be aviable to configure this feature (This is not related to the unwanted popups blocking option).
About the stability, I made the prototype the default browser in my personal Win2000 based machine, and I've been using interenet as always for the last few days, doing some searches, playing few videos and posting in several forums, including this one, with no prob. I've also installed it in some WinXP and WinME based machines and I've had no system hanging problems with it yet. Some of my friends have usded it in those machines and the bigger problem has been the language barrier (we speak spanish here, btw).
The other point I've tested is the IE compatibilty. I opened some supposed java sites that don't work with Firefox or NE 7.2 (with Sunjava 2 embedded) and of course they didn't work in Netscape mode yet they did in IE mode. I didn't want to test this feature too much, just in case. But it is much more than prior versions.
I still think this browser is far from perfect but I definitively can't say it's full of bugs or unsatable, or ugly, like in some posts I've found here. I don't want to sound like an AOL agent or somethig, but my experience with this piece of software has not been bad at all yet.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20041122 Firefox/0.5.6+

[edmartin]

I really don't understand why the poking around about minor things in a
browser like color coordination. I for one am most thankful that AOL is
spending the money to help us have a better browser. I do not think it productive to look a gift horse in the mouth, because, they might just color
it MS brown, for spite. I'll use it regardless of hue and be most happy.
respectfully,
edmartin

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax)

[Fulvio]

I really don't understand why the poking around about minor things in a
browser like color coordination. I for one am most thankful that AOL is
spending the money to help us have a better browser. I do not think it productive to look a gift horse in the mouth, because, they might just color
it MS brown, for spite. I'll use it regardless of hue and be most happy.
respectfully,
edmartin

I feel the same way, especially since this is Prototype, i.e. first crack at it.
People will complain first, expecting nothing but a branded Firefox.
I have seen enough other problems to be concerned about the set up of the toolbar, "ugliness" or whatever.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040803 Firefox/0.9.3

[Umachines]

A true bug I've found in prototype (Win2000 os) is that somtimes it doesn't load anything when launched. It doesn't hang, just does nothing, so I have to close it and launch again.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20041122 Firefox/0.5.6+

[WolfeBay]

I know this one is just a prototype, i.e., first crack at the browser. I hope to try out Beta versions of the browser in the future before the final release.
But as a Netscape enthusiast, probably not as big of one as many here, but enough to stay with netscape since I got on the net in '97, and telling people how great it is and that everyone should have it, I will post what I feel the new browser should be like.
I wont complain too much about the theme, as themes are changable, however the placement of the Menu Bar is very off setting, but I guess I can get used to that. I dont exactly like the integration of IE in the browser. Like someone else had said earlier, if I want to view a site in IE, I'll open up IE. I've tried using the view as IE on several websites and it didn't work correctly, i.g. Hotmail. I can't compose a message, but the editing bar in the compose box does come up, I just can't edit, type, add anything.
I think after playing with the Prototype, I am left with the impression that it has lost a lot. Maybe I am just used to having an advanced Menu system from 4.xx - 7.2, but I think I prefer that, with preferences still listed under "edit" and having more depth to them than the firefox based one.
Also the Composer, and the Web Development, AIM, News and Mail Groups, in fact, that whole component bar that is at the bottom since the 3.x/4.xx series at least is missing. I would definately like to see that bar come back I am glad that Netscape kept/added the button to open the sidebar up to the side. Gets annoying to have to hit a few keys or navigate the menus to open that up or close it all the time. The New Tab button is also a welcomed thing As firefox is lacking that unless you download an extension.
On the tab issue, I'd make the tabs clearer to understand with the options. That green light, red light thing, leaves a person not knowing they should click it first time to see what they should do. Personally, I'd get rid of the View as IE. I think its horrible that Netscape would allow such a thing. I use Netscape for a few very good reasons, 1 That its not IE, 2 That its not a Microsoft Product, 3 It is still better and IMHO superior than IE. I'd prefer the browser to be based off the Mozilla Suite But thats me. I dont mind a 30MB download for a browser. Never have in the past, still dont today. Even on Dial-up I'd download a hefty browser if it means not using IE.

Summary,
-I'm not too fond of the FireFox direction the browser is taking, but its ok.
- Move the Menu Bar back
- Put back the Component Bar
- Web Development Tools
- AIM (which I am sure will probably come with the final anyways)
- Fix the tab buttons somehow, so they're easier to understand.

Thats all I can think of myself for now.

-WolfeBay

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[WolfeBay]

Interesting to see the new design progress side-to-side:


Definitely looks a lot cleaner to me.

(Image relocated in SD701 server, Admin)

and

to the new design:
the new butons looks nice, but please keep the dark green color, this lite blue looks too bright and not stable.

I agree, I like the new design, but I think it should be a Netscape Green color. Easier to read and understand the browser layout, very nice. But I'd probably change it still to the 4.xx theme anyways in the end like I have with all the other browsers (if someone graciously creates a theme update for it).

-WolfeBay

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[Fulvio]

A true bug I've found in prototype (Win2000 os) is that somtimes it doesn't load anything when launched. It doesn't hang, just does nothing, so I have to close it and launch again.

This has been found by many people. I reported it, and called it double kick start. It seems to happen every 24 hrs. For instance, yesterday I checked the prototype twice. Once in the morning, and another time in the afternoon. The afternoon was ok. But, I was awake at 1:30 AM, and it did not start.
I did not try the second time. Now, I just tried it, and it was working. I wonder if this is done on purpose, to have daily count.

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