SillyDog701

[Al]

As a long time NN user and promoter I am dissapointed with this "prototype", the interface is esthetically horrible and when compared to FF not very useful/practical. I feel like being transported in time to 2000 and watching N6 and not believing my eyes, so lest hope it will be improved more than version 6 which was in my eyes crap. The most stupid thing for me is that while NN7.x was "fully compatible" with Mozilla 1.x so plugins, themes, localizations etc. could be used, this piece will not accept any of the popular themes nor plugins for FF from update.mozilla.org. And when I just think about the point that it actually launches MSIE and it was made by some outsorcers I am depressed and I think I will have to leave NN after almost 10 years. Very sad -but I still hope although I know it is not very realistic. BTW for those of you who actually didnt have the possibility to "to touch" this piece, try

[The direct link to the file has been removed. It is in violation of the Prototype EULA. ]

I don't think you should host the browser at a site, someone should deletye the link

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041108 Firefox/1.0

[captjlddavis]

First and Second impressions:
XP-Home - sp-1 - cable -

Other than the obvious "Visual display" (IMO - it stinks)

1. D/L and install fairly straight forward - installed to separate Drive (e:\)

2. Created NEW profile in default location.

3. Did NOT migrate any data from elsewhere ( it only migrates from the other DEFAULT profile location - (as far as I can tell) My OTHER profile data is re-located from default locations.

4.Transfered bookmarks.html from Moz 1.7.3 manually - after allot of juggling around got them to display correctly in PT.

5. Copied SEARCH PLUGINS from FF 1.0 installation to NS_proto directory. ( seems to work ok )

6. Installed preferential.xpi to program directory - to get better access to "[tt]about:config[/tt]" - seems to work fairly well.

7. "Passcard" ( password ??) is very confusing to me......there does not seem to be any "[tt]signon.txt[/tt]" file as is in FF 1.0
As mentioned before, only thing I can find is:
[tt]"C:\Documents and Settings\user\ApplicationData\Netscape\NSAE\Profiles\jim_ns_pro\c0g1n3n5.r7u"[/tt]
- it looks like an encrypted file of some sort - NOT the same structure as previous FF password file. It looks like this filename is set in:
[tt]<drive>\program files\New_NS\Netscape Browser\defaults\pref\firefox.js[/tt]
This filename is set to "[tt]signon.txt[/tt]" in [tt]firefox.js[/tt] (FF 1.0)

Tried various steps to get NS_proto to accept -no go

Some of the general "TWEAKS" of userChrome.css work ok as do some of the tweaks regarding various search settings via about:config.

Bookmark - properties -keyword - does not work in NS, but work in FF 1.0

Still dinkin' away, don't think I will switch to NS Proto, just seeing what they did....

Hope this is of some interest to others - if you have any "solutions" please post back.

FWIW, there are alot of mail & mailnews. prefs in there - maybe looking forward to a suite ?

regards:captjlddavis

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910

[nscpprod]

Hi everyone!

I want you all to know that we are paying close attention to your feedback and it is VERY appreciated. Please read the FAQ if you haven't yet been able to. I think it addresses most major concerns.

To clarify, this release is a prototype...not a final release, and not even a beta.

Sincerely,
The Netscape Product Team

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20041122 Firefox/0.5.6+

[Josh]

It failed to run on my parents WinME laptop (which is close to their requirements). Oh well.

EDIT:

I have a few more thoughts.

I don't think there will be a version for OS X or Linux for some pretty obvious reasons. IE doesn't exist on Linux (unless someone can get the old Solaris and/or HP-UX IE builds to run on Linux). OS X is a different kettle of fish. My thinking is that NS thinks that since many OS X users have gave up on OS X IE, it isn't worth it to do a build. Also, I think it may be technical, since Mac IE is not built into OS X, it may be hard for the NS people to build around Tasman.

The "check" that is built into the installer is lame, way lame. There have to be some systems that are close to or barely pass the specs. Why lock them out?

I have some major concerns about the dual Gecko/IE Trident match-up. I feel this will let all the problems with IE in though the back door. Not good.

In short, I feel NS are setting themselves up for a fall.

UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90)

[Fulvio]

Does this prototype also include Mail & News, or is it just a browser?

Edward. Netscape Browser is like Firefox, i.e. Navigator only. But, like FF, one can get the default mail client. Of course, this prototype does not have direct access to mail. If one is used to FF it is easy. The older FF had an envelope to be dragged into the Personal Toolbar. In fact, I got rid of the extra junk in it. To me, everything else is tolerable, but I don't see why my personal toolbar has to be theirs.
As for the passwords, although I imported all the information from NS7.2, the .s file is just there. Most of the passwords are the mail. But, can anyone find any such file in either FF0.9 or 1.0?

Captjl. How did you manage to install the Preferential Extention. At this moment only the Smooth scrollbar extention is listed for this program.
I tried to install a number of extentions which are compatible for 0.93, and not one was successful.

I am not enthused about this product, but let's not go overboard with negativity. I always find myself on the other side. In AOL beta testing, I am always on the verge of being kicked out, on account of my criticism. someone has to do. I guess that my role here is to look at anything positive.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax)

[captjlddavis]

preferential.xpi

I d/l preferential-0.6.1a.xpi- saved it to HD,

In NS proto - File - Open - pref.......xpi and it installed. It does not show in Installed extensions, but it works....

Be advised that you should be in OFFLINe mode when you run it....

WFM

regards:captjlddavis

EDIT

Correction, preferential works fine in NS proto - on or offline. It is with TB that you need to be off line for it to work well.

sorry

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910

[Gregor]

I have some major concerns about the dual Gecko/IE Trident match-up. I feel this will let all the problems with IE in though the back door.

Josh, you might be wrong on this. Why?
This "proto" uses Windows engine, which is build in every Windows, as mentioned by Antony before. In my case this engine also runs MDAC and help MSSQL. At the end this engine is also used by IE. To back up my statement: Once I removed IE and engine by some tweaking tool and the result was: MDAC stop working / problems appeared with MSSQL Server.
As mentioned here before: New "proto" uses "Display like IE" function PER PAGE. That means that for each page, which fails to load in (lets say) Gecko engine, individual settings can be applied and proper security level set.

As I posted before even Windows Update service is working with it. I found this solution (two engine browser) very positive. Why? Because I wont need IE anymore for keeping my computer up to date. I know that many of you will disagree with me. Let`s not start that discussion here.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; sl-SI; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041108 Firefox/1.0

[PW]

[The direct link to the file has been removed. It is in violation of the Prototype EULA. ]

I don't think you should host the browser at a site, someone should deletye the link

As you see it was removed and I didnt host it, I just place the link which could also be found using Google when searching for new netscape browser download, anyway in this world I dont think laws mean anything so I just forgot about tham long ago. But I accept if the moderator of this board removes it. It is his board and his decision.
BTW I am using nonymouse just because I am in my work and my employers proxy server filter forbids to visit this site -and I need to somehow to f... with it. There is no other reason behind it.

UserAgent: http://@nonymouse.com/ (Unix)

[Web_explorer]

i want to try this new browser, anyone can sent it to my mailbox? web_explorer@msn.com, packed it with winrar, thanks

UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; MSN 6.1; MSNbMSFT; MSNmen-us; MSNc00; v5m)

[Fulvio]

i want to try this new browser, anyone can sent it to my mailbox? web_explorer@msn.com, packed it with winrar, thanks

You have to register for it, and there was a limited number of registrants. Also I don't think that it would work if you are not registered, because you have to enter your username and password (I might be wrong on this).

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8a5) Gecko/20041122

[bhtooefr]

It can be used without a code - someone sent me a link.

IMO, it adds some MUCH needed features - proper tabbed browsing, and a way to run Windows Update. It does need a warning whenever switching to IE, though.

Layout SUCKS ASS. I know, I know, but it had to be said. Someone put in a Windows Native theme, NOW! Also, it's all too busy.

Bugs I've found: mousing over to the "titlebar" results in the window running away from the mouse pointer! Also, if Windows has decided to baby me and not let me look in C:\Program Files\, Netscape will crash if I tell it to look in there anyway.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20041122 Firefox/0.5.6+

[Fulvio]

Which "titlebar".
I have one definite problem. That is with back and forward buttons. I have set the History to 2 days, although it is on 0 (zero) for everything else I have.
However, I can access the previous pages from Go. I am using Tabs, and I made changes to the pregiven settings, and I am still confused by what's going on.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20041122 Firefox/0.5.6+

[bhtooefr]

[URL=http://img25.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img25&image=58-netscapetitlebarc.png]
[/URL]

It's circled.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20041122 Firefox/0.5.6+

[Phoenix21692]

I tried the Netscape Browser prototype a moment ago and it crashed after I switched to making it act like IE. That's a real bummer.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910

[DJGM]

I tried the Netscape Browser prototype a moment ago and it crashed
after I switched to making it act like IE. That's a real bummer.

But then it did act like IE . . . it crashed! If it was to act exactly like IE, it might've taken Windows down with it!

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0