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MozillaNews: Netscape Lives?
by jparsons » Tue 26 Aug, 2003 7:31 pm
MozillaNews has a link to a Reuters article entitled "Sun Micro to Double Beijing Software Center." MozillaNews seems to think it's possible that continuing work on Netscape is possible.
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Re: MozillaNews: Netscape Lives?
by DJGM » Tue 26 Aug, 2003 8:56 pm
jparsons wrote:MozillaNews has a link to a Reuters article entitled "Sun Microsystems
to Double Beijing Software Center." MozillaNews seems to think it's
possible that continuing work on Netscape is possible.
I mentioned that MozillaNews article, a few days ago in this thread . . .
Click the screengrab, and scroll down to near the bottom of the page.
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by Josh » Fri 29 Aug, 2003 11:48 am
In 1998, Jamie Zawinski (Jwz), who was a founder of mozilla.org and one of Netscape's first employees wrote:
Thinking over on recent events, it looks like AOL did just that.
Jwz wrote:hopefully, AOL didn't buy Netscape with the intention of turning Netscape into something that it is not; it's hard to imagine that they would spend $4 billion dollars on Netscape just to throw away the client.
Thinking over on recent events, it looks like AOL did just that.
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Re: MozillaNews: Netscape Lives?
by jparsons » Fri 29 Aug, 2003 6:31 pm
DJGM wrote:jparsons wrote:MozillaNews has a link to a Reuters article entitled "Sun Microsystems
to Double Beijing Software Center." MozillaNews seems to think it's
possible that continuing work on Netscape is possible.
I mentioned that MozillaNews article, a few days ago in this thread . . .
Oops!! See what happens when you don't keep up??
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by marcoos » Sat 15 Nov, 2003 2:52 am
News.google.com says the cheap ISP called Netscape Online has just started its
services in Canada.
http://join.netscape.ca/index.php
The access application "Netscape Online" is partially browser-independent (it is said to respect your default browser and mail client settings), but some features require Internet Explorer:
http://www.netscape.ca/myaccount/accelerator.jsp#image
It also adds some features to IE, such as pop up blocking.
And the only mail clients they mention in their FAQ are Outlook, Outlook Express and Eudora - you won't find a single word about Netscape Mail&News there:
http://www.netscape.ca/myaccount/faq.jsp#email3
Stupid AOL.
services in Canada.
http://join.netscape.ca/index.php
The access application "Netscape Online" is partially browser-independent (it is said to respect your default browser and mail client settings), but some features require Internet Explorer:
http://www.netscape.ca/myaccount/accelerator.jsp#image
It also adds some features to IE, such as pop up blocking.
And the only mail clients they mention in their FAQ are Outlook, Outlook Express and Eudora - you won't find a single word about Netscape Mail&News there:
http://www.netscape.ca/myaccount/faq.jsp#email3
Stupid AOL.
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by DJGM » Sat 15 Nov, 2003 11:26 am
Here's the minimum system requirements . . .
It's bad enough for it to require Internet Explorer 5.0+ as one of the necessary browsers,
but even AOL should know that Netscape 5.0 does NOT exist! The browser requirements
on the FAQ page seriously and urgently needs to be re-written as soon as possible!
It doesn't support Macintosh computers either. That is not good.
Minimum Requirements are:
*Microsoft® Windows® 95 with Windows Socket 2 Update, Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows 2000,
Windows XP operating system or later. (Apple® Macintosh® computers are not supported)
*133 MHz Pentium® processor or faster
*Minimum 64 MB of RAM
*An Internet browser: Internet Explorer 5.0+ or Netscape® 5.0+
*Adobe Acrobat viewer to open PDF files (Netscape Online
invoices aregenerated as viewable PDF formatted files)
*Microsoft mouse or compatible pointing device
*VGA or higher resolution graphics card
*Minimum 800x600 screen resolution recommended
*Modem
It's bad enough for it to require Internet Explorer 5.0+ as one of the necessary browsers,
but even AOL should know that Netscape 5.0 does NOT exist! The browser requirements
on the FAQ page seriously and urgently needs to be re-written as soon as possible!
It doesn't support Macintosh computers either. That is not good.
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by Fulvio » Sat 15 Nov, 2003 2:06 pm
Look at your User Agent. It says: Mozilla/5.0. I think that the 5.0 refers to the browser which is not a 4.x.
As for the optional way to access, this was the main bone of contention, which I mentioned a few times in the past. AOL beta testers of AOL7.0 Gecko were very upset that the browser could not render some pages as well as IE. We know the story, but an average user could care less about adherence to code. A few people suggested that there would be a way to access the Web with a IE or Gecko-based browser.
I know that the concept is difficult to swallow, but AOL is a business.
I am just playing devil's advocate.
As for the optional way to access, this was the main bone of contention, which I mentioned a few times in the past. AOL beta testers of AOL7.0 Gecko were very upset that the browser could not render some pages as well as IE. We know the story, but an average user could care less about adherence to code. A few people suggested that there would be a way to access the Web with a IE or Gecko-based browser.
I know that the concept is difficult to swallow, but AOL is a business.
I am just playing devil's advocate.
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by DJGM » Sat 15 Nov, 2003 2:46 pm
The "Mozilla/5.0" part of a browser UA string refers to it being a 5th generation browser.
That includes all the incarnations of Mozilla (App-Suite, Firebird, Camino, K-Meleon) plus
others like Konqueror, Safari, and of course, all version of Netscape from 6.0 upwards.
(IE5.0+ is not a 5th generation browser, as it still has "Mozilla/4.0" on it's UA string.)
If they're going to mention any Netscape browser as part of their minimum system
requirements, it should ideally be a minimum of Netscape 7.0. IMHO though, there
should be no requirements of a pre-installed browser. This service should bundle
the latest version of Netscape with it, or there's absolutely no point in using
the Netscape name in the branding. It may as well be branded "AOL Lite".
If this situation remains the same for both the US and UK versions of this new
service, then I will have no other option, but to boycott it, tell others not to
bother with it, and use some other internet access service instead.
As marcoos said earlier . . . Stupid AOL!
That includes all the incarnations of Mozilla (App-Suite, Firebird, Camino, K-Meleon) plus
others like Konqueror, Safari, and of course, all version of Netscape from 6.0 upwards.
(IE5.0+ is not a 5th generation browser, as it still has "Mozilla/4.0" on it's UA string.)
If they're going to mention any Netscape browser as part of their minimum system
requirements, it should ideally be a minimum of Netscape 7.0. IMHO though, there
should be no requirements of a pre-installed browser. This service should bundle
the latest version of Netscape with it, or there's absolutely no point in using
the Netscape name in the branding. It may as well be branded "AOL Lite".
If this situation remains the same for both the US and UK versions of this new
service, then I will have no other option, but to boycott it, tell others not to
bother with it, and use some other internet access service instead.
As marcoos said earlier . . . Stupid AOL!
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by marcoos » Tue 18 Nov, 2003 5:26 pm
"AOL mulls toolbar service":
CNET:
Nothing really interesting, isn't it? But guess how it's gonna be called...
CNET:
Time Warner's America Online division is considering creating a desktop application that lets people access popular Web services such as search, news and maps [...]. The product looks like a compass with names of different services--such as "movie showtimes," "yellow pages," and "shopping" [...] [It] is similar to products from Google and Yahoo. [...] The working version of [this program] will not reside in the browser, but rather float on the desktop and launch a default browser when someone clicks on a service link
Nothing really interesting, isn't it? But guess how it's gonna be called...
Netscape Navigator
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by DJGM » Tue 18 Nov, 2003 7:36 pm
Oh, for ***** sake!
Do AOL honestly think no-one will notice how they're now, to put it rather bluntly,
essentially b*st*rdizing the Netscape name. How can they even think of getting
away with, first cancelling the once popular cross platform web browser once
known as Netscape Navigator, and then a few months later, giving the name
of this product to an entirely different application altogether.
Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, STUPID AOL !!!
Do AOL honestly think no-one will notice how they're now, to put it rather bluntly,
essentially b*st*rdizing the Netscape name. How can they even think of getting
away with, first cancelling the once popular cross platform web browser once
known as Netscape Navigator, and then a few months later, giving the name
of this product to an entirely different application altogether.
Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, STUPID AOL !!! UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax; BDP)
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by DJGM » Tue 18 Nov, 2003 8:53 pm
Hmph! As if the Netscape name hadn't been tarnished enough as it is!
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by Josh » Wed 19 Nov, 2003 7:20 am
OK, before we get worked up, are we even sure this isn't a BETA or a mock-up (no pun intended) of the Netscape ISP? I personally believe that NO ISP should require an browser or MUA to use the service. However, I guess i'm in the minority...
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by DJGM » Fri 09 Jan, 2004 11:46 am
Judging by what we can see at - www.getnetscape.com - I think we can now say that Netscape, as a
maker of web browser applications is permanently dead and buried. Finito. Kaput. Deceased. End of.
Even though the "Save The Netscape Browser" petition has received 1500+ signatures, despite the
good intentions of those behind the petition, as far as I'm concerned, sadlyit has ultimately failed.
For what it's worth, I'll still occasionally use Netscape 7.1 on my computers until
security vulnerabilities are found in it's codebase, after which I may just remove all
instances of Netscape, and then continue with Mozilla as my main browser of choice.
maker of web browser applications is permanently dead and buried. Finito. Kaput. Deceased. End of.
Even though the "Save The Netscape Browser" petition has received 1500+ signatures, despite the
good intentions of those behind the petition, as far as I'm concerned, sadlyit has ultimately failed.
For what it's worth, I'll still occasionally use Netscape 7.1 on my computers until
security vulnerabilities are found in it's codebase, after which I may just remove all
instances of Netscape, and then continue with Mozilla as my main browser of choice.
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