SillyDog701

[Fulvio]

I had uninstalled NS8.0.4, because I did not like its tab-hungry set up, as well as its incredible memory usage. And, this was without being able to install most extentions. I have been told that it was useful, because of its dual ability to view as firefox, and also IE.
My only experience with the dual settings came when I tried to view a website, both ways, and the IE View was a disaster. Then, I found out that, apparently, while I had installed Flash8 for Netscape & Co. , I still had Flash7 for IE. After I evened out the playing field, there was no difference.
However some sites are troublesome. e.g. americangreetings.com , which I was able to confirm that it would not allow to customize and print a card, in anything but IE, as well as many features of cmt.com and vh1.com
and I am sure other sites, especially those related to Yahoo.
So, I reinstalled NS8.0.4, and I found it lacking in this matter. I am sure that if I had logged in some sites, I would have had some success. e.g.
skysports.com . With americangreetings.com, I had logged in, and immediately was asked to install their latest version, which is a plugin. Such file, treated like an extention was not compatible with 8.0.4, and that was the end of that. I got further with Firefox because, I could, at least make selections.
cmt.com was interesting because it did not use to accept my WMP10, but it worked beautifully with videos with Firefox. With NS8.0.4 it showed the same internal player, but there was no scrollbar, and, only part of the window was visible. I know that popups had to be allowed, but even after setting Site Controls, it would not not work. Whenever I had a chajnce to choose the connection speed, it would get nowhere with 8.0.4. VH1 was no better, although it would show videos like Firefox, in Firefox mode. It just failed in IE mode.
If someone else has any different experience, I would appreciate hearing about it. But 8.0.4 is gone again.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 Firefox/1.0.7

[macallan1824]

I If someone else has any different experience, I would appreciate hearing about it. But 8.0.4 is gone again.

I tried cmt.com and initially no videos, so with a few clicks I switched the site from FF to IE mode and enabled ActiveX, and now everything seems OK & videos play fine.

With vh1.com, again no video controls intially, switched from FF to IE mode, enabled ActiveX, unblocked popups for vh1 and now videos auto launch in a window and all play fine.

I'm afraid that in my case NS8 was pretty painless and everthing soon worked after a few mouse clicks.......

.......the tricky part was finding that my firewall ad-blocker was stopping WMP working in both sites, but this happened in all browsers, and was soon fixed....

I don't have an account to test the card issues out.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20051012 Netscape/8.0.4

[Fulvio]

I was able, eventually, to get videos to work in IE mode. However, there was no advantage there, since the Firefox mode worked. I may have not been able to get things straight with the Radio channels, which did not work either way. Since everything works at the first attempt in IE6, I must say that some sites use a sniffer, and they are not fooled by the fact that there is an IE mode in NS8.0.4. I actually, changed to thre IE mode, immediately, and had adjusted the Site Controls, accordingly.
I did all this, actually, to prove myself that I did not pan the IE mode, without trying. I believe that it may work, but not without a struggle. Windows Update will work, but it will open IE. If NS8.0.4 has nothing more than links which cause to open IE, it is no better than Firefox with the IE View extention.
In other words, for me, NS8.0.4 has no obvious advantage over Firefox.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050914 K-Meleon/0.9

[macallan1824]

Windows Update will work, but it will open IE.

Not sure why you're getting this behaviour, but I've just installed this months MS fixes from Windows Update and it ran happily inside a Tab in NS8. ....Just had to enable ActiveX.

In other words, for me, NS8.0.4 has no obvious advantage over Firefox.

For me the key benefit is that I haven't had to run the tired and tab free IE interface for months. I've got the 7 IE only sites I regularly access running happily in tabs in NS8.

The three improvements over FF I like are:-

1. I love tabs - I can now run my IE only sites in Tabs, no need to wait for IE7.....
2. Single Browser for all sites, a single UI to theme and customise and a single source for Bookmarks, no more loosing some in IEs favourites.....
3. Far fewer extensions needed to get the function I need.
   I began to dread FF upgrades as they have almost always broken my FF config with a corrupt profile or something. I could live with this in the beta days, but I've only had one clean upgrade since 1.0 shipped,

I have tried IE Tab, but to date it's been slower & more unstable than NS8 for the sites I access, but I guess like you with NS8, when it doesn't work as well as your current solution, you eventually get frustrated and move on.......

So I guess as always, choice is good, and different requirements & experiences lead to different browser solutions for different folks....

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20051012 Netscape/8.0.4

[Fulvio]

I will give 8.0.4 another shot. I uninstalled it, but ket the profile, just in case.
May be I did not use it properly, so I cannot pass judgment without another look, and, I am sure that I can get assistance from you, if I need it.
As for he advantages, I never use IE, voluntarily, but there may be a necessity, at times, windows update being the most notable example.
I resent NS8 because it is so Tab crazy. I think that I tamed it, but I am never too sure.
as for the extentions, I agree withthe fact that FF is crippled that way, with any update, but between NS8 not giving what I want, and FF being incompatible, I don't see the difference.
And, I am not new to NS8. I tested its very first version.
I will try to stay open minded, and I know that I will have to keep my eyes open. NS8 will try to steer you to IE View as default, and whatever choices I made for Tab controls will have to be reentered.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9a1) Gecko/20060110 SeaMonkey/1.5a

[Fulvio]

I got back 8.0.4, and, indeed it worked with the Windows Update.
however, it failed with the two tests which I had before, i.e. VH1.com and CMT.com, the radio part, not the video, which works equally well in either Firefox or Netscape8.0.4.
I found out that it was necessary to log in VH1 to get anywhere. I went as far as the selection of the bandwidth, and no further. I had selected to use IE mode, Active X, and allow popups, but not unrequested popups. I got no message, and I may try to allow unrequested popups, as a test.
Mainly, because Firefox did go much further than NS8.0.4. I saw the player, with the requested information, and loading and/or buffering, and getting nowhere. I also got ca general Java error, which usual does not affect operation. I see this error in some rare cases.
So....

UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322) Netscape/8.0.4

[richard mitnick]

Fulvio knows I was really hot for Netscape 8. I loved the passcards, and the individual site security.

I would start a site in Firefox and if everything went O.K, I would leave it there. If I needed I.E., then I would start with no pop-ups, no images, no javascript, no Java, etc, up to Active X if I trusted the site. I would add back, first images, then whatever I felt might be necessary, on config at a time, until I was happy.

I never had a bit of trouble. I never visited some of the sites you name, like VH1.

But, now I have switched away to Seamonkey. I solved the passcard problem by over riding the user id and password autocomplete default in About:config. I need not worry about site security, and, and this is big, I now have IETab extension in both Seamonkey and Firefox, which switches over to the I.E. engine, complete with ActiveX if I want (I have it on Prompt in I.E. and this carries over, of course).

As much as I liked Netscape 8, it is too ponderous, takes too long to load, and to come up from minimized.

I do not see myself going back. Seamonkey browser is my default.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8) Gecko/20051219 SeaMonkey/1.0b

[Fulvio]

Richard, I, purposely, visited sites which gave me problems, even if I don't really use them much, with NS8.0.4. Why use it otherwise. Now, I figured out how to use the IE Tab, in Firefox, and I am back to placing NS8.0.4 in the background.
I am looking forward at Seamonkey1.5 coming out. I did try the IE Tab extention in Seamonkey1.5, although I almost lost it in its location next to the throbber.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 Firefox/1.0.7