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[dnickell]

When I hover on an image NS 7.1 doesn't show the Alt= text.
I know it's there because: I can see it with Ctrl+U and with
NS 4.78's broswer.

Have I missed something in the Preference settings?
I'm good at that! :-(

I'm using the standalone version from here.

Thanks,
Don

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[Antony]

In MSIE, you will need to enable the ALT text on/off setting.
In Netscape 7, ALTernative text is too wide (wider then the image holder), it won't show up there.
I might be wrong.

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[dnickell]

I use NS 7.1's browser primarily because it's faster and seems to go back to the Cache for previously view pages, unlike 4.78. I started noticing the last of Alt= text being viewed form the AtlasF1 page, they ALWAYS enter a text string for their photos. but I noticed they suddenly "stopped" coincidental with my use of 7.1.

What flagged me something was wrong was one day I was on some genealogy page with 4.78 and noticed the Alt= text came before a photo loaded, it was about 10 sentences long! [dumb!] When the page finally finished I hovered on said photo and the Alt= string was so long it wrapped around the world and I could only read about 10 words and it timed out.

I then viewed the page with 7.1 and -- nothing, so it dawned on me something was fishie in Denmark. I scoured the Preferences and could find nothing, so I decided to ask here. I couldn't find anything in Prefs.js either.

Interesting you noted "the Alt text might be too long."

Don

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[Antony]

You might ask about the tooltips.
In Communicator, ALT attritube is being used as tooltip; in Netscape 6/7, you will need to use TITLE attritube for this. So don't be surprised if you can't get tooltip from Netscape 6/7, when you move mouse over it.

For example,

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<img src="url for image" TITLE="you will see this as tooltip when you move your cursor over it" ATL="Alternative text for browsers do not support images or disabled. Don't make the alternative text too lengthy, because it can'be be displayed in Netscape 6 and Netscape 7.">

:-D

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[dnickell]

You might ask about the tooltips.
In Communicator, ALT attritube is being used as tooltip; in Netscape 6/7, you will need to use TITLE attritube for this. So don't be surprised if you can't get tooltip from Netscape 6/7, when you move mouse over it.

Well, I finally got around to at least testing that, Anthony. I change "Alt" to "Title" and, sure enough, that works. It's really a shame, after all the hoopla about 7x, how many bugs it has.

Thanks for clearing that Alt= business up. Sorry it took so long for me to get back.

Don

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[hartlandcat]

You need to leave the alt section there as well. Basically...

ALT attributes are for specifying alternative text that can be used if the image is broken or if a visitor is using a browser that for one reason or another doesn't display images, either because they have them switched off to make their internet experience faster, because they're using a text-only browser like Lynx or because they're blind and are using a screenreader. It is essential that you use this because it's estimated that around 30% of people browse without images. It also happens that some browsers also display the alternative text in a tooltip when the image is hovered over. I, along with many other people, consider this to be incorrect behavour. Many browsers, such as Netscape 6/7 don't do this.

TITLE attributes are for specifying text that will appear in tooltips when the image is hovered over. Just about all browsers (apart from really old and really obscure ones) support this.

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[Antony]

TITLE attributes are for specifying text that will appear in tooltips when the image is hovered over. Just about all browsers (apart from really old and really obscure ones) support this.

More...
Title attribute is used for "additional information." However, W3C do not specify to display it as tooltip. Many browsers display it as tooltip, however, in Safari, it is shown in status bar.

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[dnickell]

Thanks, guys, I know the "whatfor and why" of the Alt=tag, and use it as you note. But I'm kinda snowed with the use of the term "tooltips", I don't know what that's about or where to look for it.

The case that made me write my intial querry pertained to the Atlas F1 (Formuale One) Web Page at: http://www.atlasf1.com/

They 'always' use the Alt= to identify people in photos, usually with only 2 or 3 words. That's not presented when using NS 7.1, but is for NS 4.7x.

I just spent an hour with Google looking for anything pertaining to "Title=" and/or "Alt=" and found nothing useful. It seems Google ignores the "=" character. I spent a lot of time on http://www.w3.org and could find nothing.

This is scarry, does it mean I'm going to have to change ALL the associated code on my Web Page so people can have that "Type=" attribute work? What about AOL, and people with browsers prior to NS 7 or Mozilla ?.x, what will happen to them? I've already experienced a touch of it that prompted this Thread.

Strikes me that BASICS shouldn't change this late in the game, e.g. changing /HEAD/ to /START/ and /BODY/ to /TORSO/ , etc., is a bunch of crap in my estimation. It's more of my pet pieve: "Change for the sake of change", that I've b#tch about for 30 years in programming.

Talk about an upset applecart, this tag name changing deserves a

Don

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