Opera 8 Preview 1 for Mac

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Opera 8 Preview 1 for Mac

Postby Antony » Sun 09 Jan, 2005 9:00 am

Thanks Edward for informing me this.

Opera 8 Preview 1 for Mac :mac: is now available.
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Changes Since 7.54u1
  • Improved user interface
    More workspace in the default setup.
    Cleaner menu setup and dynamic display of messaging features.
    Notification of blocked pop-ups.
    Simple retrieval of closed pages and blocked pop-ups.
    New start bar gives easy access to useful features.
  • "Fit to window width" feature removes the horizontal scrollbar.
  • "Fit to page width" feature improves printing.
  • Enhanced RSS newsfeed reader is available without activating e-mail client.
  • Support for XMLHttpRequest; Gmail Web mail is fully supported.


Opera 8 Preview 1 for Mac download page, 4.4MB.
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Postby Antony » Sun 09 Jan, 2005 9:10 am

Seems to me, Opera 8 (Preview 1) is pretty fast. I haven't had time to measure the page loading speed and other performance issues.

One thing I am a bit confused, the tab browsing. They call it “new page,â€
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Postby Antony » Sun 09 Jan, 2005 9:22 am

Another complaint about Opera 8 Preview 1 for Mac. Who told Opera to change my text input?
When I typed “ and â€
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Postby Antony » Sun 09 Jan, 2005 9:41 am

And the stupid UserAgent spoofing this of this Opera...
only 3 options.
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As Opera itself, Mozilla 5, and MSIE 6.0, but the default is MSIE 6.0.
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Postby Edward » Sun 09 Jan, 2005 10:29 am

Antony wrote:And the stupid UserAgent spoofing this of this Opera...
only 3 options.
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As Opera itself, Mozilla 5, and MSIE 6.0, but the default is MSIE 6.0.


The Linux version offers the same three choices for the UserAgent string. 7.xx and earlier offered additional Mozilla selections.
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Postby Edward » Sun 09 Jan, 2005 10:39 am

Antony wrote:Another complaint about Opera 8 Preview 1 for Mac. Who told Opera to change my text input?
When I typed “ and ”, if I hit the preview key in the forum's input box, Opera 8 will change them to [tt]“[/tt] and [tt]”[/tt]. No thanks. I don't need this feature.

Note: opening quote (“) can be easily typed by pressing [tt]option[/tt] + [tt][[/tt];
closing quote (”) can be easily typed by pressing [tt]option[/tt] + [tt]shift[/tt] + [tt][[/tt].


In the Linux version, I only see this occur when the " and " are somewhere in-between [tt]quote[/tt] and [tt]/quote[/tt], after the Preview button is selected. In quoting the above text, it occurs.

Placed as part of regular unquoted text, it displays properly. Could it be a PHP issue?
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Postby Antony » Sun 09 Jan, 2005 7:59 pm

Edward wrote:Placed as part of regular unquoted text, it displays properly. Could it be a PHP issue?
No that's not true.

No such issues with Safari and any other browsers.

Test “ and ” and don't need to be placed between quote and /quote
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Postby Junyor » Mon 10 Jan, 2005 6:27 am

The curly quotes issue is caused by the page encoding. If those characters aren't available in the encoding set for the page or input field, then they'll be converted to HTML entities. See http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/curre ... Characters for details.
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Postby Antony » Tue 11 Jan, 2005 10:51 pm

Junyor wrote:The curly quotes issue is caused by the page encoding. If those characters aren't available in the encoding set for the page or input field, then they'll be converted to HTML entities. See http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/curre ... Characters for details.

Thanks for pointing out. Still not nice to see Opera changes the "nice" characters to un-human-readable codes.

Note that a string containing the codepoint's value itself (for example, the six-character string "U+263A" or the seven-character string "[tt]☺[/tt]") is not considered to be human readable and must not be used as a transliteration.
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Postby Junyor » Wed 12 Jan, 2005 7:46 am

Antony wrote:
Junyor wrote:The curly quotes issue is caused by the page encoding. If those characters aren't available in the encoding set for the page or input field, then they'll be converted to HTML entities. See http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/curre ... Characters for details.

Thanks for pointing out. Still not nice to see Opera changes the "nice" characters to un-human-readable codes.

Note that a string containing the codepoint's value itself (for example, the six-character string "U+263A" or the seven-character string "[tt]☺[/tt]") is not considered to be human readable and must not be used as a transliteration.


Good point. Opera currently doesn't support any transliteration, so according to that spec., all characters outside the specificed charset would be changed to "?". If you'd like that, you can add the following to your INI file:

[User Prefs]
Entities In Forms=0

This used to be the default behavior, but we switched to the current behavior due to complaints about the Euro character and the quotes problem you're having.

We'll continue to look for better solutions and perhaps add some transliteration in the future. Thanks for your feedback!
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Postby izanbardprince » Wed 12 Jan, 2005 8:03 am

I think the biggest turn offs for Opera users are, 500 ways to do EVERYTHING, tons of useless features, and no other browser is shareware/adware (except maybe some 3rd part front ends for Internet Explorer)
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Postby ryaxnb » Sat 15 Jan, 2005 4:48 pm

izanbardprince wrote:I think the biggest turn offs for Opera users are, 500 ways to do EVERYTHING, tons of useless features,
and no other browser is shareware/adware (except maybe some 3rd party front ends for Internet Explorer)


Hey my mom PAID $20 after discounts for OmniWeb 5 :) :o : :D
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Postby ryaxnb » Sat 15 Jan, 2005 4:49 pm

Moderator edit by DJGM - Duplicate message removed.
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Postby Pu7o » Fri 18 Mar, 2005 12:13 pm

Antony wrote:And the stupid UserAgent spoofing this of this Opera...
only 3 options.
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As Opera itself, Mozilla 5, and MSIE 6.0, but the default is MSIE 6.0.


you can access netscape 3 and 4 useragents if you add a useragent toolbar, it includes these options.
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Postby DJGM » Fri 25 Mar, 2005 7:08 pm

Antony wrote:And the stupid UserAgent spoofing this of this Opera...
only 3 options.
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As Opera itself, Mozilla 5, and MSIE 6.0, but the default is MSIE 6.0.


The default (spoofed) UA for this version of Opera is especially daft, since Microsoft have
never released any 6.x versions of MSIE for Mac, nor is it likely that they ever will . . . !
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