SillyDog701

[Antony]

Thanks Edward for informing me this.

Opera 8 Preview 1 for Mac is now available.

Changes Since 7.54u1

• Improved user interface
  More workspace in the default setup.
  Cleaner menu setup and dynamic display of messaging features.
  Notification of blocked pop-ups.
  Simple retrieval of closed pages and blocked pop-ups.
  New start bar gives easy access to useful features.
• "Fit to window width" feature removes the horizontal scrollbar.
• "Fit to page width" feature improves printing.
• Enhanced RSS newsfeed reader is available without activating e-mail client.
• Support for XMLHttpRequest; Gmail Web mail is fully supported.

Opera 8 Preview 1 for Mac download page, 4.4MB.

UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Mac_PowerPC Mac OS X; en) Opera 8.0

[Antony]

Seems to me, Opera 8 (Preview 1) is pretty fast. I haven't had time to measure the page loading speed and other performance issues.

One thing I am a bit confused, the tab browsing. They call it “new page,â€

UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Mac_PowerPC Mac OS X; en) Opera 8.0

[Antony]

Another complaint about Opera 8 Preview 1 for Mac. Who told Opera to change my text input?
When I typed “ and â€

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/125.5.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/125.12

[Antony]

And the stupid UserAgent spoofing this of this Opera...
only 3 options.


As Opera itself, Mozilla 5, and MSIE 6.0, but the default is MSIE 6.0.

UserAgent: Opera/8.0 (Macintosh; PPC Mac OS X; U; en)

[Edward]

And the stupid UserAgent spoofing this of this Opera...
only 3 options.


As Opera itself, Mozilla 5, and MSIE 6.0, but the default is MSIE 6.0.

The Linux version offers the same three choices for the UserAgent string. 7.xx and earlier offered additional Mozilla selections.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i586; U; en) Opera 8.0

[Edward]

Another complaint about Opera 8 Preview 1 for Mac. Who told Opera to change my text input?
When I typed “ and ”, if I hit the preview key in the forum's input box, Opera 8 will change them to [tt]“[/tt] and [tt]”[/tt]. No thanks. I don't need this feature.

Note: opening quote (“) can be easily typed by pressing [tt]option[/tt] + [tt][[/tt];
closing quote (”) can be easily typed by pressing [tt]option[/tt] + [tt]shift[/tt] + [tt][[/tt].

In the Linux version, I only see this occur when the " and " are somewhere in-between [tt]quote[/tt] and [tt]/quote[/tt], after the Preview button is selected. In quoting the above text, it occurs.

Placed as part of regular unquoted text, it displays properly. Could it be a PHP issue?

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i586; U; en) Opera 8.0

[Antony]

Placed as part of regular unquoted text, it displays properly. Could it be a PHP issue?

No that's not true.

No such issues with Safari and any other browsers.

Test “ and ” and don't need to be placed between quote and /quote

UserAgent: Opera/8.0 (Macintosh; PPC Mac OS X; U; en)

[Junyor]

The curly quotes issue is caused by the page encoding. If those characters aren't available in the encoding set for the page or input field, then they'll be converted to HTML entities. See http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/curre ... Characters for details.

UserAgent: Opera/8.00 (Windows NT 5.1; U; en)

[Antony]

The curly quotes issue is caused by the page encoding. If those characters aren't available in the encoding set for the page or input field, then they'll be converted to HTML entities. See http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/curre ... Characters for details.

Thanks for pointing out. Still not nice to see Opera changes the "nice" characters to un-human-readable codes.

Note that a string containing the codepoint's value itself (for example, the six-character string "U+263A" or the seven-character string "[tt]☺[/tt]") is not considered to be human readable and must not be used as a transliteration.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/125.5.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/125.12

[Junyor]

The curly quotes issue is caused by the page encoding. If those characters aren't available in the encoding set for the page or input field, then they'll be converted to HTML entities. See http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/curre ... Characters for details.

Thanks for pointing out. Still not nice to see Opera changes the "nice" characters to un-human-readable codes.

Note that a string containing the codepoint's value itself (for example, the six-character string "U+263A" or the seven-character string "[tt]☺[/tt]") is not considered to be human readable and must not be used as a transliteration.

Good point. Opera currently doesn't support any transliteration, so according to that spec., all characters outside the specificed charset would be changed to "?". If you'd like that, you can add the following to your INI file:

[User Prefs]
Entities In Forms=0

This used to be the default behavior, but we switched to the current behavior due to complaints about the Euro character and the quotes problem you're having.

We'll continue to look for better solutions and perhaps add some transliteration in the future. Thanks for your feedback!

UserAgent: Opera/8.00 (Windows NT 5.1; U; en)

[izanbardprince]

I think the biggest turn offs for Opera users are, 500 ways to do EVERYTHING, tons of useless features, and no other browser is shareware/adware (except maybe some 3rd part front ends for Internet Explorer)

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0

[ryaxnb]

I think the biggest turn offs for Opera users are, 500 ways to do EVERYTHING, tons of useless features,
and no other browser is shareware/adware (except maybe some 3rd party front ends for Internet Explorer)

Hey my mom PAID $20 after discounts for OmniWeb 5 :

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US) AppleWebKit/125.4 (KHTML, like Gecko, Safari) OmniWeb/v563.34

[ryaxnb]

Moderator edit by DJGM - Duplicate message removed.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US) AppleWebKit/125.4 (KHTML, like Gecko, Safari) OmniWeb/v563.34

[Pu7o]

And the stupid UserAgent spoofing this of this Opera...
only 3 options.


As Opera itself, Mozilla 5, and MSIE 6.0, but the default is MSIE 6.0.

you can access netscape 3 and 4 useragents if you add a useragent toolbar, it includes these options.

UserAgent: Opera/8.0 (X11; Linux i686; U; en)

[DJGM]

And the stupid UserAgent spoofing this of this Opera...
only 3 options.


As Opera itself, Mozilla 5, and MSIE 6.0, but the default is MSIE 6.0.

The default (spoofed) UA for this version of Opera is especially daft, since Microsoft have
never released any 6.x versions of MSIE for Mac, nor is it likely that they ever will . . . !

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 - DJGM.co.uk (ax)