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by **Don_HH2K** » Sun 25 Jul, 2004 6:54 pm

Just an interesting thought here..

There was never a Firefox/Firebird/Phoenix build for MacOS 9. Phoenix 0.5 was built on Mozilla 1.3a, correct? Mozilla 1.3a source could compile for MacOS9, if I remember. I am just wondering about this, but has anyone ever compiled a Phoenix 0.5 for MacOS9? Is it even possible?

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by **Wellander** » Sun 25 Jul, 2004 7:00 pm

Hi,
It could be possible.
I do not think that it was done though.

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by **Don_HH2K** » Sun 25 Jul, 2004 7:14 pm

Phoenix wasn't even officially released for Mac at all. I was wondering if it had the right libraries and such to run it.

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by **Wellander** » Sun 25 Jul, 2004 7:16 pm

Hi,
No and No.
It did not happen.
It was chimera was made for MacosX.

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by **Don_HH2K** » Sun 25 Jul, 2004 7:21 pm

Wellander wrote:Hi,
No and No.
It did not happen.
It was chimera was made for MacosX.

Yes, but it couldn't be ported to OS9 since it was built using Cocoa, which was not available in OS9.

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by **Wellander** » Sun 25 Jul, 2004 7:23 pm

dluchini30 wrote:
Wellander wrote:Hi,
No and No.
It did not happen.
It was chimera was made for MacosX.

Yes, but it couldn't be ported to OS9 since it was built using Cocoa, which was not available in OS9.

Hi,
I know that.
It was for MacosX 10.0+

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by **Don_HH2K** » Sun 25 Jul, 2004 7:32 pm

OK then.

P.S. Netscape 7.2 HAS to come out soon. Netscape broke itself just now, and I'll be using Firefox until then, not that there's anything wrong with that.

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by **DJGM** » Tue 27 Jul, 2004 7:36 pm

Before Mozilla decided to port Firebird (as it was called back then) over to Mac OS X, there
were unofficial versions of Firebird for Mac, which started with the release of Phoenix 0.3.

In fact, I tested it's UA early on in the UA testing thread back on 18th October 2002.

I did include a screengrab with it, but that image file has long since been deleted.

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by **Don_HH2K** » Thu 29 Jul, 2004 12:23 pm

Yes, but that was built for MacOS X. I looked through an archive of the experimental Firebird for Mac homepage and found that there were no builds for OS9/8/etc.

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by **DJGM** » Thu 29 Jul, 2004 12:52 pm

dluchini30 wrote:Yes, but that was built for MacOS X. I looked through an archive
of the experimental Firebird for Mac homepage and found
that there were no builds for OS9/8/etc.

Indeed. Bear in mind that at the time, Mozilla.org were about to cancel all support for pre OS X
versions of the Mac OS. The last official version of the Gecko engine for Mac OS 9.x was 1.2.1.

Since there were never any official builds of Phoenix for Mac, this unofficial port was, to all
intents and purposes, "filling a gap in the market". I don't think the developer of this ever
had any intention to port Phoenix to Mac OS 9.x, especially considering Mozilla.org
plans to stop development and support of Mozilla builds for the older Mac OS.

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by **Josh** » Wed 11 Aug, 2004 12:17 am

AIUI, there are two ways to run Mozilla on Macintoshes:

The first is CFM (Code Fragment Manager). This method was fully *carbon, with a Mac backend (Gecko, plus a few other bits) and a Mac frontend (what you see on screen). This build ran on both OS 9 and OS X.

The second is Mach-O. As with CFM, it's carbon*, with a difference. Instead of a Mac backend, there's a UNIX backend, which I believe is common with the BSDs, Linux, etc. As with CFM, there's a Mac frontend. This build runs on OS X only.

Any Phoenix for OS 9 would have to been done via CFM. I believe that the Phoenix devs dropped CFM before Mozilla did as a whole. This isn't to say it's impossible, but I doubt it could happen.

*Carbon is a way for a program to run on both Mac OS 9 & X. See this for more.

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