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Antony
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 27 Mar, 2005 10:44 am |
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James,
Thanks for bringing up the morphine report.
As for your opinions, we do welcome all different opinions. And we might have disagreement. The message board is open for discussion, that's why we are here for. We are not here to judge the case, but we are certainly allowed to talk about it.
Antony.
NOTE: personal attack is strictly not allowed.
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Antony
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| 27 Mar, 2005 10:51 am |
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| Lorraine wrote: |  How can you say she is in a persistant vegetative state? |
I am not expert. However some basic facts:
She can't talk, she can't eat by herself, she can't express herself.
Experts (doctors) stated that she was in persistent vegetative state, experts also said she can't recover. Judges agreed.
Her parents and other doctors somehow failed to provide good evidence that she was not in persistent vegetative state and can be recovered.
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Ron Williams
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| 27 Mar, 2005 3:26 pm |
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| Antony wrote: | | We are not here to judge the case, but we are certainly allowed to talk about it. |
If we are not here to judge a case then why do you judge the michael jackson case?
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Antony
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| 27 Mar, 2005 6:30 pm |
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| piranarew wrote: | | Antony wrote: | | We are not here to judge the case, but we are certainly allowed to talk about it. |
If we are not here to judge a case then why do you judge the michael jackson case? |
I did not judge Michael Jackson.
I presented my opinion on Michael Jackson's case with reference.
I did not judge Michael Jackson case, you are required to retreat your statement.
As for you,
| piranarew wrote: | | Well in short, I think that you like MJ and are defending him for something that you dont know the interworkings of. |
That can be considered as personal attack.
Why you pointed the finger at me directly, instead of the case itself.
You have yet to explain what interworkings is.
You are also required to apologise for pointing finger at me directly.
Opinions are open for attack, but you attacked me personally.
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Ron Williams
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| 27 Mar, 2005 8:40 pm |
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| Antony wrote: | | Lorraine wrote: | | How can you say she is in a persistant vegetative state? |
I am not expert. However some basic facts:
She can't talk, she can't eat by herself, she can't express herself.
Experts (doctors) stated that she was in persistent vegetative state, experts also said she can't recover. Judges agreed.
Her parents and other doctors somehow failed to provide good evidence that she was not in persistent vegetative state and can be recovered. |
There would be no problem if michael schiavo would allow testing. The last testing done was in 2000 and the body does heal in that time, meening that the cerebrel cortex could be attached.
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keith
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| 28 Mar, 2005 12:40 am |
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hello. Antony, you spelled apologize wrong, am i correct? or can it be spelled with an s? not trying to point fingers, i am just curious
Keith
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Antony
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| 28 Mar, 2005 12:57 am |
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| keith wrote: | hello. Antony, you spelled apologize wrong, am i correct? or can it be spelled with an s? not trying to point fingers, i am just curious
Keith |
Thanks Keith,
My dictionary says it can also be spelt as “apologise.” And in fact, the spelling checker in Safari says “apologize” is not correct spelling.
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Ron Williams
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| 28 Mar, 2005 1:37 am |
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Just so you know it is spelled apologize, look at google definitions.
Second, Terri Schiavo was allowed to receive communion, while she was not able to have the bread, she did get the wine. The reason she was not able to have the bread according to the priest was that her tongue was too dry. http://comcast.net/news/index.jsp?cat=GENERAL&fn=/2005/03/28/92215.html
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Antony
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| 28 Mar, 2005 2:19 am |
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The word apologise can be spelt as “apologise” and “apologize.”
From Dictionary.com: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=apologise
| Quote: | apologise
v 1: defend, explain, clear away, or make excuses for by reasoning; "rationalize the child's seemingly crazy behavior"; "he rationalized his lack of success" [syn: apologize, excuse, justify, rationalize, rationalise] 2: acknowledge faults or shortcomings or failing; "I apologized for being late"; "He apologized for the many typoes" [syn: apologize] |
From Allwords.com: Allwords.com: definition of apologise
| Quote: | apologize
apologise
verb, intr apologized, apologizing
1. To acknowledge a mistake or offence and express regret for it.
Thesaurus: beg pardon, excuse oneself, make amends, atone, express regret, ask forgiveness; Antonym: insult, offend.
2. To offer a formal written statement in defence of a belief, cause, someone's behaviour, etc.
Etymology: 16c: from apology. |
Examples of the word “apologise” used from other media:
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jsjag
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| 28 Mar, 2005 7:48 am |
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| Quote: | And written documents can also be forged.
A binding does not necessary to be in the form of writing. |
| Quote: | Mr. Schiavo does not perform his duty as guardian?
May I ask if there're any duties (listed by court) requiring Mr. Schiavo to perform? And followed by which of those Michael Schiavo failed to perform, I'd be very happy to know. |
If you are comfortable with verbal contracts, go ahead and sell your house to the buyer without anything in writing, no sales agreement, or anything in writing. Yep...verbal bindings can have legal rights but see how comfortable you'll feel with the verbal house sale transaction. I dare say that you won't be sleeping well when you start to wonder if you'll get paid.
You also brought up fraud in forms. Yes fraud can happen but that is what notary's help to prevent. If someone is going to go so far out of their way to provide fraudulent ID, well they will probably do bad to you no matter what you do. Kind of like the robber on the street with a gun, he’ll probably get you no matter what you do.
A guardian has a duty to protect, provide care, maintenance and support. A guardian's responsibility is broad. There will be more writing on limiting the guardians rights than broadening their rights.
You asked where the husband failed? Here are a few:
How is starving a person part of the duty to protect and provide care?
How is choosing a nursing home over a rehab facility providing maintenance, support or care?
Mr. Schiavo refuses treatment for Terri's bladder infection. This is his words during a deposition from a November 1993 Michael Schiavo Deposition, Guardianship Hearing / Q. So when you made the decision not to treat Terri's bladder infection you, in effect, were making a decision to allow her to pass on? MS. I was making a decision on what Terri would want.
Where in any of the above is Terris’s wishes. If Terri could communicate her wishes, would Terri wish to have a bladder infection continue? I really doubt it. Outside of Terri's living Will, it is all conjecture of what Terri's real wishes.
In 1998 the courts did appoint another guardian and that guardian recommends the court not approve Mr. Schiavo's petition. Then Mr. Schiavo wins to have court appointed guardian removed because of perceived bias.
When you talk about courts you also need to remember courts also gave us decisions like the Dred Scott decision.
“Dred Scott first went to trial to sue for his freedom in 1847. Ten years later, after a decade of appeals and court reversals, his case was finally brought before the United States Supreme Court. In what is perhaps the most infamous case in its history, the court decided that all people of African ancestry -- slaves as well as those who were free -- could never become citizens of the United States and therefore could not sue in federal court. The court also ruled that the federal government did not have the power to prohibit slavery in its territories. Scott, needless to say, remained a slave.”
Yes , courts can time after time and over and over get it wrong. Yes Terri’s case has been heard many times but so was Dred Scott’s case and looking back we see a court decision to allow slavery. In Terri’s case if they got it wrong, once she is dead, there is no reversing the case.
This will be my last post (I hope) on this list about this issue. This is my fun computer stuff forum and I never wanted to get drawn in this on this forum. 
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Antony
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| 28 Mar, 2005 9:20 am |
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Thank you for clarifying a few of my questions, and thank you for the Dred Scott story.
| jsjag wrote: | | If you are comfortable with verbal contracts, go ahead and sell your house to the buyer without anything in writing, no sales agreement, or anything in writing. Yep...verbal bindings can have legal rights but see how comfortable you'll feel with the verbal house sale transaction. I dare say that you won't be sleeping well when you start to wonder if you'll get paid. |
You have a good point, except selling a house is not a good example here. You are required to transfer the ownership and other paper works with your local city council, by law.
| jsjag wrote: | | A guardian has a duty to protect, provide care, maintenance and support. A guardian's responsibility is broad. There will be more writing on limiting the guardians rights than broadening their rights. |
So in other words, there are not definite lists on what Mr. Michael Schiavo should perform as a guardian.
| jsjag wrote: | You asked where the husband failed? Here are a few:
How is starving a person part of the duty to protect and provide care?
How is choosing a nursing home over a rehab facility providing maintenance, support or care? |
The first one is arguable. Why? I highly doubt that Mr. Michael Schiavo did not feed his wife (although not personally), but the "starvation" is only after court approval that Mrs. Terri Schiavo can be left to die.
The US$700,000 Michael Schiavo won for his wife in 1992 was spent on Terri Schiavo's medical care and legal expenses. The money ran out three years ago. (According to CNN: Background on Schiavo case)
Perhaps nursing home is a cheaper option than the rehab facility. And was nursing home completely unsuitable for Mrs. Terri Schiavo?
No comments from me on the bladder inflection issue for now. I failed to source bladder inflection related reports from BBC News or CNN sites.
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Lorraine
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| 29 Mar, 2005 12:24 am |
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The award for the malpractice suit was $1,000,000.
and out of it, $750,000. was for care for Terri Shiavos
The rest of the money was for Michael Shiavos.
I heard some time ago on CNN I believe, that they each had $1,000,000. life insurance. Whether true or not, I don't know.
I thought that was a little strange tho' when I heard it,as she was only 26 yrs. of age when she had the heart attack/stroke.
Don't you think that they were young, she married at 20 yrs old and I don't know how old he was,having a life insurance policy of $1,000,000. on each of them?
Maybe that is why he is staying married to her.
I haven't heard anything about it recently. Perhaps it's an Urban myth....
When they married it must have been like everyone else's marriage, with the words, " in sickness and in health" or "till death us do part"
I know there is divorce and I have nothing against it, but he prefers to remain married to her, yet evidently he is going to get married as soon as she dies.
He should have continued with her rehabilitation, not sticking her in a hospice.
It seems he has enough money to support a commonlaw wife and two children....had he respected his vows as much as Terri's words, "that she didn't want to live that way" that money could have gone to support his legal wife Terri, if he was short of funds, or else divorce Terri.
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| Quote: | | However, this family issue has involved religious supporters and politicians. Do those religious extremists really care about Terri? Or they just could not miss out this opportunity to demand law changes? Politicians? perhaps votes are more important. |
Who knows if all the people care about Terri? Doesn't the Governor of a State, have the right to stop an execution of a criminal, either by legal injection or electric chair? I believe they have until midnight on the night they would be executed. How come the Governor can't stop them from preventing a sick person having food and water?
Of course, votes are very important to politicians and so are the Polls.
Everyone should have an "Infirmity Mandate"
Choose your own way to die if you end up in a vegetative state (not that Terri was in a vegetative state).
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Antony
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| 29 Mar, 2005 2:24 am |
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Mrs. Terri Schiavo's husband has asked that an autopsy be performed on his wife after she dies. (CNN)
Why autopsy? I believe the autopsy can clear up his name from being accused of poisoning his wife.
And I guess we all know which group of people accused Mr. Michael Schiavo for poisoning his wife?
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Antony
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| 29 Mar, 2005 10:14 pm |
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I think we can talk about Christian conservatives.
"You have a husband who hasn't been faithful, and he's the one the judges all listen to," the Sarasota woman said from a protest line outside the hospice where Schiavo was in her second week without food or water. "There's nothing like a mother. A mother knows her child, and nobody else should be able to make that decision."
Some Christian conservatives and others who want to prolong Schiavo's life do not see why her husband gets to decide her fate. But the role of the spouse as next of kin and decision-maker has deep roots in both civil and biblical law.
"It's odd that conservative Christians would be making this claim," said Christopher Schroeder, director of the public law program at Duke University. "You can find biblical passages that say once you have a union like this, the union's all that matters. The parents drop out of the picture."
(From Spouse as next of kin has deep roots)
So Mrs Terri Schiavo's supporters are violating her wishes?
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Antony
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| 30 Mar, 2005 12:32 am |
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Up to date: More appeals.
The lead attorney for Terri Schiavo's parents filed an emergency petition with the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals late Tuesday, asking that the full court hear an appeal to have their daughter's feeding tube reinserted
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Last week, a three-judge panel of the 11th Circuit in Atlanta ruled twice against the parents, Mary and Bob Schindler.
The vote was 2-1 the first time and unanimous the second time. The same judges heard the case each time.
Gibbs then had asked for an expedited rehearing from the full court's 12 judges; that effort was rejected by a 10-2 vote.
(from Schiavo parents file new court appeal)
meanwhile, Mary Shindler bags Michael to give her daughter back.
Mary Schindler uttered two sentences at a news conference: "Michael and Jodi, you have your own children. Please, please give my child back to me."
The mother was addressing Michael Schiavo and the woman he has been living with since the late 1990s -- Jodi Centonze -- with whom he has two children.
Late Tuesday, Felos issued a written statement saying, "The courts have repeatedly said this case is not about Mrs. Schindler, Mr. Schiavo or any other third party. It's about Mrs. Schiavo and her own wishes not to be kept alive artificially."
(from Schiavo parents file new court appeal)
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