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Antony
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 23 Nov, 2004 6:25 pm |
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| Alice wrote: |  In case anyone was wondering, I had nothing to do with the transposition of "goofymutt" for "sillydog" in any of the UFAQ forum posts in google's search results or in google's cache, even though I posted the original message. |
No, never doubted you.
Only their admin or admins have access to the Administration Panel where the word censoring feature is.
For all those who has installed and configured a copy of phpBB or phpnuke (with phpBB module) would know what word censor does.
Refusing to admit and blaming Google's cache is something very unprofessional.
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| Jay Garcia wrote: | | Somebody, not me, is playing a joke on you Antony. I have no such censor enabled on the UFAQ. SillyDog701 shows up as SillyDog701 everywhere that I know of on the UFAQ. Maybe there's somebody at Google that "has it in for you", time to invesitgate and punish the perpetrator. |
SillyDog701's founder has enough network knowledge, and many IT experts can tell who's lying easily.
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Antony
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| 08 May, 2005 12:40 am UFAQ.org is trying to steal SillyDog701 users |
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UFAQ.org is trying to steal SillyDog701 users.
Type sillydog701.org, sillydog.info or sillydog.us to the location field and guess what those URLs lead you to.
That's right, the so-called number 1 website.
Fact: The website removed all references to SillyDog701 (sillydog.org)
But they also need to trick people to their so-called number 1 website?
Cybersquatting SillyDog701?
SillyDog701 has never self-claimed as number 1 website.
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Edward
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| 08 May, 2005 6:17 am |
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Wouldn't their use of the "sillydog701.org" domain, be a copyright violation?
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DJGM
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Antony
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| 08 May, 2005 6:58 am |
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Thanks Edward and DJGM,
Without a doubt, we have well established the name "SillyDog701", and the name "SillyDog701" is well known in Netscape community.
They are clearly using SillyDog701's popularity to gain traffic.
SillyDog701 has never self-claimed "Number 1" support site.
Guess that they are not satisfied with their 7 million hits. SillyDog701 does not even have 7 million hits per month. It is really shameful they decided to do so.
SillyDog701 condemns such dirty tactic to gain traffic. SillyDog701 also urges supporters to spread the word about the correct URL ( sillydog.org ). They unethical behaviour has forced SillyDog701 to reconsider the relationship with UFAQ.org.
SillyDog701 strives to provide a good community for Netscape, Mozilla, Firefox and Camino users, and will continue to do so under the same good old domain - sillydog.org .
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Edward
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| 08 May, 2005 6:58 am |
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sillydog701.org is registered to Jay, using the same false phone number (local directory assistance) as in the ufaq.org registration.
Something worth noting is the "sponsoring registrar" for both domains (and probably the others) is listed as Melbourne IT, Limited dba Internet Names Worldwide.
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Edward
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| 08 May, 2005 7:02 am |
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I see it as a copyright violation. Antony really should speak to a legal expert.
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Purple Lizard
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| 08 May, 2005 9:22 am |
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If you logon to any of these adresses now there is a notice written by Jay demanding apologies from you Antony and stating that you are spreading false roumours about the redirecting of these URL's. I also believe that on this matter you should talk to an expert in Internet Law and find out what is the next course of action to be taken.
Good Luck and my full support on resolving this issue. 
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Antony
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| 08 May, 2005 10:00 am |
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| Purple Lizard wrote: | If you logon to any of these adresses now there is a notice written by Jay demanding apologies from you Antony and stating that you are spreading false roumours about the redirecting of these URL's. I also believe that on this matter you should talk to an expert in Internet Law and find out what is the next course of action to be taken.
Good Luck and my full support on resolving this issue. |
I did not make any fake screenshots.
In fact, I also provided three print copies (in PDF) of the whois data from a third party. Please feel free to verity those PDF.
Whois-sillydog701.org
Whois-sillydog.info
Whois-sillydog.us
All those three URLs have following information:
| Quote: | Website Title: The Netscape Unofficial FAQ
Meta Description:The Netscape Unofficial FAQ - The Premier Support Site On The Internet For
Netscape, Mozilla, Firefox and Thunderbird - Also See
http://www.ufaq.org/commonly/userprefs.html - The Number One Communicator
Support Page On The Internet
Meta Keywords: netscape, communicator, support, communicator support, netscape communicator,
netscape faq, mozilla, firefox, thunderbird, netscape help
Response Code: 200
SSL Cert: *.securesites.com expires in 953 days |
I am making a false rumour about the redirecting?
So let me guess, after someone (and I know who) passed the information back to Jay, Jay quickly pull off the URLs pointing to his UFAQ.org?
I am sure there are other people here who saw the UFAQ.org content under those aforementioned domain names.
If Mr Garcia was referring to ufaq.net domain name I bought a while back, the answer to that domain is...
I simply parked ufaq.net domain in the server. However, due to a quick notice that more traffic to ufaq.net were intended for ufaq.org, I simply pointed to ufaq.org free of charge.
I was giving them a favour. The return is an intention of stealing SillyDog701's popularity.
The fact: ufaq.net domain has NEVER pointed to any SillyDog701 (or MozInfo701, MacCentre701, etc) content ever. Unlike the dirty tactic used by UFAQ.org.
SillyDog701 condemns UFAQ.org's dirty tactic to gain traffic by using SillyDog701's popularity. SillyDog701 also urges supporters to spread the word about the correct URL ( sillydog.org ). They unethical behaviour has forced SillyDog701 to reconsider the relationship with UFAQ.org.
Fact: SillyDog701 does not ban visitor's access (except one member). SillyDog701 does not UFAQ.org's access, nor any known people from UFAQ.
Fact: UFAQ.org banned my access to its site at one stage.
Fact: SillyDog701 does not play any stupid word censoring games.
Fact: UFAQ.org played word censoring games at one stage, replacing "SillyDog" to "GoofyMutt", and was caught by Google's Cache.
Edit, correction of my typing. I mistyped "Whois-sillydog701.info" and "Whois-sillydog701.us". Those should be "Whois-sillydog.info" and "Whois-sillydog.us" respectively. - Antony
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Don_HH2K
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| 08 May, 2005 10:33 am |
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I think the question of user stealing might be ruled out, as UFAQ really isn't in a comparable situation. Note:
They might have a larger user base, but the number of articles comes nowhere near close. That means there are more actual posters at SillyDog701 than at UFAQ.
Furthermore, SillyDog701 supports more than just Netscape. Note the presence of Opera, Mac, Linux, Windows, and the general forums here that UFAQ lacks. There's a forum for customized builds here as well -- and from the looks of things, UFAQ only supports the official builds, and discourages use of the CCK with other versions of Netscape that it shouldn't be used with.
Also note that Jay's forum is misspelled, when did 'suite' become 'sutie'?
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Pu7o
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Antony
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| 08 May, 2005 10:51 am |
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| Pu7o wrote: | | Antony wrote: | | I am sure there are other people here who saw the UFAQ.org content under those aforementioned domain names. |
I saw UFAQ.org content on the three domains this morning, so I can assure anyone reading this that what antony is saying did happen. |
Thanks for confirming.
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Antony
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| 08 May, 2005 11:39 am |
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My apology for confusing caused from the misspelt domain names originally. I typed "Whois-sillydog701.info" and "Whois-sillydog701.us" earlier. Those names are now corrected. Links to PDF copies of whois data are correct.
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Purple Lizard
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| 08 May, 2005 12:22 pm |
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Sorry Antony, I think you misunderstood.
I wasnt implying that you were making false screenshot, I was just updating to what had now been put on the domain.
Also I'm completeley behind you on this you are not the one in the wrong here. Hope I cleared up any misunderstanding
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Al
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| 08 May, 2005 2:04 pm |
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I don't know about copyright laws in Austarlia or the US, but I think that legal actions should be taken on Jay and his site. He has no right to use a copyrighted name and redirect it to his site. Jay should be the one that owes Antony an apology.
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