SillyDog701

by **James** » Tue 19 Jun, 2007 9:13 am

Is there any way that a person like this can be banned by IP address so that he/she/it does not ruin our threads? It's frustrating to try and resume the thread after this spammer inserts his/her message and breaks the continuity of the discussion.

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by **Ramona** » Tue 19 Jun, 2007 11:55 am

I've alerted Antony, and moved the spam posts. Hopefully, this mean spirited person will go away... :roll:

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by **James** » Tue 19 Jun, 2007 12:34 pm

Thanks, Ramona. I've also allowed my frustration to get the better of me and resorted to childish name calling. I've gone back and edited this out. It's just very frustrating to have a person like this ruin discussion after discussion by inserting his unwanted spam and breaking the flow of ideas. Thanks again.

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by **Fulvio** » Tue 19 Jun, 2007 1:06 pm

Unfortunately, because of the 701 rule (less than 12 hrs.), posts cannot be edited, or corrected.
I just want to add that with Seamonkey1.1.2, at least, even working with a single tab does not allow the back arrow. My home page is slate.com, and I see that website in the URL bar, while I am posting here. This is an addition to my my previous post about Seamonkey.

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by **James** » Tue 19 Jun, 2007 1:59 pm

Since I seldom use SeaMonkey, I can't say whether what you're describing is a bug or simply a matter of configuration, Fulvio. I will say that with FF (and hopefully with NS 9) this is not an issue. Yet more proof that we pretty much have it all with FF.

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by **Fulvio** » Tue 19 Jun, 2007 4:46 pm

My issue is only with Seamonkey. It was the same with 1.0.9, 1.1.1 and 1.1.2.
I never saw anything like this in Firefox or pseudo-Firefox (i.e. NS9). Interstingly, I never noticed the problem with 1.1.1, originally, but it showed up with it, after I had uninstalled it, installed 1.1.3, uninstalled it, and reinstalled 1.1.1, but, again, I don't use Seamonkey all that much, and it was confirmed only when I reported the problem to the author of the Skypilot theme. He tested 1.1.2 with all themes, including the default ones. It was a big surprise to me.

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by **richard mitnick** » Tue 19 Jun, 2007 5:30 pm

Hey Dudes and Dudettes,

For what it is worth, I have never ever had a problem with SeaMonkey. Maybe I don't try to do too much, just use the browser as it is.

I have un-installed SeaMonkey, because for me it was a Gecko back-up to FF, in case the denizens at Mozilla did something that I could not tolerate.

Now, I am using my Netscape 9 clone for that purpose.

But, I will always champion SeaMonkey for those folks who want a suite. There are lots of them, and they are pretty quiet simple folks, mostly not up to screwing around in these forums.

SeaMonkey is from the heritage of Netscape when it was for real. I never ever used the suite, only ever the browser. But I understand the lineage NetscapeSuite-MozillaSuite-SeaMonkeySuite.

>>RSM

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by **Fulvio** » Tue 19 Jun, 2007 6:21 pm

I was, and still am a champion of Seamonkey. I don't have a clue what is happening, but it is happening to me. I am not interested in pushing it, since only one other person was able to confirm the issue, and, I use, at least Tabs, and play with Tab #2, it is a non-issue.

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by **richard mitnick** » Tue 19 Jun, 2007 6:24 pm

Hi Fulvio-

Hot as hell here.

I am glad to know that you are in what I believe to be is the right space with SeaMonkey.

>>RSM

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by **MJR** » Wed 20 Jun, 2007 10:40 am

richard mitnick wrote:The thing about Netscape 9, now, from the AOL perspective, if it fails to drive any revenue toward AOL, then there is no reason to continue support.

When was the last time any web browser was seriously considered as a source of revenue? Ever since Microsoft offered its Internet Explorer for free, Netscape's business model has collapsed. In my opinion, Navigator 9 was released to complement the Netscape social news portal. To impute any other motive would be delusional.

According to Netscape Blog:

We feel that having these tools in the browser by default will introduce the idea of social news to a whole new set of users, and it should make it easier for those who are already familiar with the concept.

See http://blog.netscape.com/2007/02/20/net ... cial-news/

From among AOL's numerous brands, AIM, TMZ, AOL BlackVoices and MapQuest are ranked #1 in their respective categories. Not Netscape.

See http://www.aolmedianetworks.com/index.php?id=1687

Also, http://www.corp.aol.com/whoweare/index.shtml

Netscape, although not noted as a significant source of revenue, has brand recognition among its audience. The bulk of Netscape.com visitors (62%) are aged 25-54, with a median age of 48.7, and are more likely to belong to that first generation of web users (1994 - 1998) when Netscape was at its peak of popularity.

See http://www.aolmedianetworks.com/index.p ... &tx_ttnews[tt_news]=14264

richard mitnick wrote:Like you folks, I have eliminated all of the Netscape.com stuff, I am left with a very workable FF clonbe, it works fine, the compiling leaves nothing to complain about, but...

Then, that explains it. You can either choose to use Navigator 9 to integrate your Netscape.com activities or consider Navigator 9 merely as a Firefox clone and there's nothing wrong with that. It all depends where you are 'coming from'.

To each his own.

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by **James** » Wed 20 Jun, 2007 10:58 am

I disagree. A browser can have an impact on revenue in that it comesa bundled with search button designed to put forward businesses that give compensation for clicks on their sites. Microsoft have certainly expended a great deal of time and money in developing their search engine along with their browser. Software companies are not in the habit of simply giving things away for free. There's always a catch (and I understand this).

Furthermore, the entire social aspect of this new Netscape browser is little more than a marketing ploy as has been mentioned now countless times. Sure, we can delete those aspects and we're left with little more than a Firefox clone. Personally, I'd rather have the "real" thing... Firefox, rather than a clone. And if it's the NS skin I crave, FF comes with such. In short, I can pretty much have everything that NS is offering without the AOL intentions. I well remember how AOL essentially destroyed a once great browser and I've no desire to lend assistance to AOL.

Now, had they developed something that was marginally interesting... something innovative and imaginative... perhaps a "real" suite on the order of Netscape 4 but with today's advances in security and technology... then I'd be far more interested. As it is... it remains a curiosity on my computer. I drag it out once or twice a week, play around a bit with it and then put it to sleep since FF does it all so much better.

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by **Fulvio** » Wed 20 Jun, 2007 11:20 am

Whenever in doubt, I refer to Wikipedia, which gives a pretty good timeline of the development of Netscape.
There is a lot of animosity toward AOL, but they can't be blamed for Netscape's inability to get back to the glory days.
I started on the Internet with AOL (all previous ISPs were unreliable), and continue on even after I switched to Cox, some eight years ago. I was in the testing program of AOL Gecko. AOL did not want to submit to Microsoft, but, as you well know the early Netscapes were crummy at best. AOL introduced the Gecko version for Macs, and used it in the twin Compuserve, but there was such a customer uproar that AOL had to submit. It was a business decision, but, if anything it was Netscape which has been destroying AOL, and not the other way around.
As for me, I have dropped AOL about two years ago, but have nothing against that company.
There are as bad or villains around, and I don't even mean Microsoft.

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by **richard mitnick** » Wed 20 Jun, 2007 11:45 am

Kudos to James for his perceptive skills and his ability to elucidate same.

>>RSM

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by **James** » Wed 20 Jun, 2007 8:49 pm

Ah Richard, we appear to be on the same wave length.

You know, over at "another" forum there was mention some time back of the possibility of updating NS 7.2. Now... THAT would be of considerable interest to me and I'm certain to many others. I'd just love an up-to-date suite like this with all the security breeches patched. It appeared that there was a good deal of support for this but suddenly it vanished from the discussion once NS 9 made its appearance. I wonder why?

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by **richard mitnick** » Thu 21 Jun, 2007 5:19 am

James-

I see SeaMonkey as the update to 7.2. How do you feel about this? Do you see material differences where 7.2 was better? And is not 7.2 just re-packaged MozillaSuite anyway? I mean, you know, you almost need to go back to 4.7 to get to the roots of Netscape.

>>RSM

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