SillyDog701

[Antony]

Apple released Safari 5, featuring the new Safari Reader for reading articles on the web without distraction, a 30 percent performance increase over Safari 4, and the ability to choose Google, Yahoo! or Bing as the search service powering Safari’s search field. Available for both Mac® and Windows, Safari 5 includes improved developer tools and supports more than a dozen new HTML5 technologies that allow web developers to create rich, dynamic websites. With Safari 5, developers can now create secure Safari Extensions to customize and enhance the browsing experience.

Similar to Firefox Add-on, Safari Extensions support lets users build add-ons with HTML5, CSS3 and JavaScript, and Apple is also releasing and Extension Builder Kit designed to help with building Safari Extensions.

Safari 5 adds more than a dozen powerful HTML5 features that allow web developers to create media-rich experiences, including full screen playback and closed captions for HTML5 video. Other new HTML5 features in Safari 5 include HTML5 Geolocation, HTML5 sectioning elements, HTML5 draggable attribute, HTML5 forms validation, HTML5 Ruby, HTML5 AJAX History, EventSource and WebSocket.

Safari 5 is available from Apple Software Update or from Apple's Safari page. Safari 5 for Mac OS X requires Mac OS X Leopard 10.5.8 or Mac OS X Snow Leopard® 10.6.2 or later. Safari 5 for Windows requires Windows XP SP2, Windows Vista or Windows 7, a minimum 256MB of memory and a system with at least a 500 MHz Intel Pentium processor.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100315 Firefox/3.5.9

[DJGM]

I've installed Safari 5 on Windows 7 ... and . . .



So I click OK, and . . .


. . . oh dear ... that ain't good ... !

Right, so I run SafariSetup.exe again. It prompts me to Repair or Uninstall Safari.

The result . . .



So I click OK again, and . . .


. . . Hmmm, still not good ... !

Even after re-downloading Safari 5 and reinstalling it afresh, I still get those errors.
It seems the SafariSetup.exe file on Apple's download servers is badly broken.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 SeaMonkey/2.0.3 (like Firefox/3.5.x)

[richard mitnick]

O.K., tried it, hated it, got rid of it.

Here is what I saw, maybe someone can tell me how to correct what I see as inadequacies:

Menu bar won't stay up
Bookmarks don't stay up.
Bookmarks imported from both FF and IE - I had to get rid of the IE.
No favicons, I need them.
The big blank back thing.

I want a GUI that is arranged like FF and IE, with a menu bar, bookmarks up, etc.

Can I do that? I had Safari 3 or 4 for a while, that had a GUI like IE and FF and SM.

>>RSM

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.3) Gecko/20100401 Firefox/3.6.3 ImageShackToolbar/5.2.4 ( .NET CLR 3.5.30729)

[Antony]

As well as Safari 5.0 being released for Windows and Mac OS X 10.6 and Mac OS X 10.5, Safari 4.1 is available for Mac OS X 10.4.


According to Apple Knowledge Base Article, Those new versions addressed 48 security issues. (If I count them correctly.)

(Safari 5.0 and Safari 4.1 address the same set of security issues.)

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_6_3; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.16 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0 Safari/533.16

[Anonymosity]

My experience is that version 4.1 for Mac OS 10.4 is broken as well. After updating to it, it kept crashing.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X; rv:1.9.2.4) Gecko Firefox/3.6.4

[richard mitnick]

I am only interested in 5. , if someone can either show me the errors of my ways, or give me good directions as to getting Safari properly set up.

>>RSM

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.3) Gecko/20100401 Firefox/3.6.3 ImageShackToolbar/5.2.4 ( .NET CLR 3.5.30729)

[Fulvio]

I was not interested in Safari, but after all reported problems, I had to try it. Installation was the slowest of any program I have, with the exception of iTunes, and the much larger OpenOffice. It seems ok, except for not showing a Menu Bar, but it can be shown by clicking on the "wheel" on the right of the address toolbar. Once the Menu Toolbar is visible, one can File|Import| a desired bookmarks.html file, and I got one from an unused Firefox profile.
I did not see any way that Safari can ask to import bookmarks, but, now, I have my Personal Toolbar folder in the pregiven Safari toolbar folder. A bit more work than expected, but it seem to work. The "mail" icon is a "mail this webpage", not a shortcut to a mail program.
The sillydog page became the home page, somehow (I had it open in Firefox, from which I had downloaded the SafariSetup.exe file.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/533.16 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0 Safari/533.16

[richard mitnick]

I fear of what the geniuses at Mozilla might do to crap up FF4, looking for an out, I have been playing with Chrome and Safari.

I have installed and configured Chrome to my minimal satisfaction (no menu bar, no tool bars, a pain in the ass with my seven Google Reader subscriptions, no Roboform). It did a great job of bringing over my user id's and passwords from FF.

I am probably going tom play with Safari one more time; but so far, it is a dead issue, things like no menu bar and configuration lacks.

Fulvio's note about the menu bar is an impetus.

>>RSM

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.3) Gecko/20100401 Firefox/3.6.3 ImageShackToolbar/5.2.4 ( .NET CLR 3.5.30729)

[iJohnE]

Mine keeps closing randomly. Ditch.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US) AppleWebKit/533.16 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0 Safari/533.16

[richard mitnick]

O.K., I am a glutton for punishment.

I got Safari 5 and Google Chrome whatever both installed on a Vista machine and a Win7 machine.

They are both as optimized as I can make them, which means going through all of my bookmarks to establish user id's and passwords, both without the benefit of Roboform.

Chrome did a fine job with importing bookmarks, user id's, passwords, and favicons. Safari imported bookmarks to its totally klutzy bookmark thing, no favicons, no user id's or passwords.

Neither has colorful tabs of any kind.

Guess what works? in Safari, the Remember Password form bookmarklet which dates back to Mozilla Suite. Hooray!

So, if Mozilla Corp screws up FF4, I am semi-loaded for bear, as they say.

I may decide to test them by running them as defaults one on each machine, until they fail me.

The biggest problem, and it is with both, I have seven Google Reader subscriptions for RSS. Both IE and FF show them in a drop down menu, and I just click one. On these two, I have to type in a letter. There are five starting with 'm", so five show in the drop down; there is one with "h"; there is one with "r". So, this is a pain.

But, we will see what happens. I did not have John's problem, or the person who could not get what was it? Safari? to install at all.

>>RSM

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US) AppleWebKit/533.16 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0 Safari/533.16

[Fulvio]

Well, I got Safari, thinking that I would have to uninstall it, immediately, but I will keep it, if for no other reason, to see what's wrong with it.
I have been using Google Chrome, and keep it, for the same reason. Obviously, neither Safari nor Google Chrome feel that the Menu Bar is a necessity, and it is not. As for RSS, I do not use any, so I would not know nor care if things work there.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.3) Gecko/20100401 Firefox/3.6.3

[James]

Wow! You guys are bears for punishment. I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. Firefox pretty much does it all so I've no reason to go fishing... and definitely not Safari. Chrome is a very speedy browser; there's no denying that fact. BUT Chrome does not have a side bar and I use the side bar religiously so good-bye Chrome (although I never delete these programs since I don't want files hanging around and I have plenty of room to accommodate whatever I want to install). Now I will admit to a longing for SeaMonkey since it is really little more than an updated Netscape suite. But to date I've resisted installing it. I'm happy with Firefox and that's where it will stay.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.3) Gecko/20100401 Firefox/3.6.3

[Fulvio]

To each his/her own preference. I did a search, and I saw a number of hits on people saying that lack of sidebar was the only remaining item keeping them from using Google Chrome.
Of course. there are hits saying that there are bookmarklets and extensions which provide some type of sidebar for Google Chrome. And, there are hits for Safari. Safari is the new kid on the block as far as extentions, so, although there is something there, I know little about it.
I have been anti-sidebar since day one. I represents clutter, and totally useless. Why taking up space, if there are Tabs. But, on the other hand my antipathy for the sidebar may take away something which may be important. But, do I care? Not a bit.
For me, it is Firefox first, and foremost, and Thunderbird for Mail. And, Seamonkey2.x is not a bad facsimile of Firefox+Thunderbird. But efforts in its development are minimal.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/533.16 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0 Safari/533.16

[richard mitnick]

I just installed Google Chrome on my work machine. So far, it is passing all of my tests, financial sites like JPMorgan, Chase, a power company's invoice entry web site, AMEX, etc.

The bookmark "process" is klutsy, but not unusable.

One test remaining is email addresses in my ISP's web mail. Any browser I use at work MUST save these for repeated use.

>>RSM

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US) AppleWebKit/533.4 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/5.0.375.70 Safari/533.4

[Fulvio]

Going back to Safari 5. I have a good reason for trying all sort of browsers. My wife works for Marriott, and she needs to access their web page to get a copy of her paystub, or to get authorization forms for hotel stays, for relatives.
Until a few weeks ago, Firefox worked pretty well, but they made some changes which required IE Tab. Using the IE mode, it has possible to access the authorization forms as .pdf files, but not always. No problem with IE, Google Chrome or Safari. As for accessing her work mail, it has been impossible, even with IE.
People at work tell her that it has never been possible to get the authorization forms, from home, and the same for her mail. But, as I mentioned above it has been possible to get the .pdf files, and until three weeks ago when they made a major overhaul, her work mail was accessible.
Basically, Safari and Google Chrome seem to be more IE-ish than Firefox, but I noticed that the Preferences of Safari had a warning "Google safe browsing service is unavailable, no updates for 221 days" on the line,which is check by default: "warn when visiting a fraudulent website".
Whassup?

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.11pre) Gecko/20100610 Shiretoko/3.5.11pre