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DJGM
Joined: 19 Jun 2002
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 05 Oct, 2005 4:32 pm |
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Congratulations on getting Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger for your Mac.
If Safari isn't working for you, that's no big loss, since there's loads of other browsers available for use
on Mac OS X, as I'm sure you know already. As for IE5.x/Mac, while it may be a rather old browser
now, it's definitely a much better browser than it's lousy PC counterpart made for Windows!
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Don_HH2K
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| 05 Oct, 2005 6:57 pm |
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As requested by Antony a little while back . . .
The HP Pavilion ze4200
The Gateway Solo 2500LS (notice the tape holding the display and part of the case together)
The Gateway Performance 500 (with the case open, and lots of dirt. the dirt was the previous owner's doing, the bad wiring job was me)
The Compaq Deskpro 4/33i (with the case on it for once, the bad wiring is once again my doing, and that is a 120MB hard drive on top that no longer works)
The not-mine AST Ascentia M-series
Handbuilt Linux server in basement (with the very nice 19" AOC flat-panel monitor... a pity this machine is only a NAS... that keyboard is an original IBM PS/2 keyboard)
My very bad attempt at wiring up the Performance and the Deskpro over in a corner... I can't wire things very well...
The Compaq reports on what little memory it has...
This is blurry, because I took it without the flash to make a point: I can pretty much light my bedroom with most of these machines (from left-to-right: PS2, Gateway Solo, Gateway Performance. the bank of lights is a 3Com ethernet hub. The green bottle on the desk is Mountain Dew.)
I will see if I can get more later...
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Antony
Joined: 18 Jun 2002
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Location: Sydney, Australia
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| 05 Oct, 2005 7:15 pm |
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| DJGM wrote: |  Congratulations on getting Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger for your Mac. |
You did not congratulate me  
I got my copy of Tiger on 29th April 2005 !
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Purple Lizard
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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Location: Sussex, UK
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| 06 Oct, 2005 1:45 pm |
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| DJGM wrote: | Congratulations on getting Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger for your Mac.
If Safari isn't working for you, that's no big loss, since there's loads of other browsers available for use
on Mac OS X, as I'm sure you know already. As for IE5.x/Mac, while it may be a rather old browser
now, it's definitely a much better browser than it's lousy PC counterpart made for Windows! |
Yep, thats true, once i get it online again ( I need another usb DSL modem)
I'll download Firefox and I'm also intrested in Camino.
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DJGM
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Location: Manchester, England, UK
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| 06 Oct, 2005 2:35 pm |
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You might as well download 'em all, and see which works best for you. Meanwhile, since Safari
won't play ball, you could try Shiira, a 3rd party browser based on the same engine as Safari.
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Purple Lizard
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| 07 Oct, 2005 3:22 pm |
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Shiira looks intresting ill try that when i get back online with the mac
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Antony
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| 08 Oct, 2005 12:22 am |
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| Don_HH2K wrote: | Handbuilt Linux server in basement (with the very nice 19" AOC flat-panel monitor... a pity this machine is only a NAS... that keyboard is an original IBM PS/2 keyboard)
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Nice keyboard, I haven't seen the keyboard without the Win-key (Windows keyboard) on a PC for ages.
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Purple Lizard
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| 13 Oct, 2005 3:12 pm |
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I finally got Safari to work I upgraded to tiger and it works, i also was able to
install netscape 7. However, for some reason i can't seem to be abe to change my desktop wallpaper, but that's only a minor problem.
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Don_HH2K
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| 13 Oct, 2005 8:09 pm |
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| Antony wrote: | | Don_HH2K wrote: | Handbuilt Linux server in basement (with the very nice 19" AOC flat-panel monitor... a pity this machine is only a NAS... that keyboard is an original IBM PS/2 keyboard)
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Nice keyboard, I haven't seen the keyboard without the Win-key (Windows keyboard) on a PC for ages. |
That is an original IBM PS/2 keyboard that shipped with some later PS/2 machines. You're right -- this is a non-Win95 keyboard. For some reason, though, the Alt key somehow got mapped to the Windows key, so we had to re-map it to Alt using a downloadable tool. The keymap works fine in Linux, though. I guess MS must've thought that the Windows key was more important than the Alt key. Hopefully not on NT or 2000, though, as you need it to log on/off, and I'd say on 95/98/ME too because you need it to recover from the frequent crashing.
That keyboard, wierdly enough, still works. It makes a TON of noise -- every key results in a noisy clack sound that sounds like a manual typewriter. The keys stick a bit, but it's not a problem unless you're typing reports like I was (part of the reason I upgraded from the 486 that used to use that).
Speaking of crashing, I just noticed something. Is XP's blue Luna style based on a Blue Screen of Death? They bear an interesting resemblence...
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Purple Lizard
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| 14 Oct, 2005 2:34 pm |
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Don I just realised that I used to have a Deskpro just like your one mine died a few years back.
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Don_HH2K
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| 14 Oct, 2005 3:46 pm |
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| Purple Lizard wrote: | | Don I just realised that I used to have a Deskpro just like your one mine died a few years back. |
If you still have it, chances are I can tell you what's wrong with it. That machine broke on me over... and over... and over... until I started spitting blood. Thankfully I got a newer (but nowhere near new) laptop in Y2K, ending the five-year (eight-year if you count that this was somebody else's at one point) torture I endured with it.
..and for whatever reason it's back out again, and I am trying to find out how I can install a hard drive in this machine, since it doesn't have an LBA controller.
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Purple Lizard
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| 14 Oct, 2005 4:21 pm |
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Yeah, Its been in my basement for about 100 years 
The problem with it is that whenever I attach any of my 31 spare HDD's 23 of which i know work and 3 run windows 3.11 so i know that th8ey will boot on that computer. Whenever i turn on the PC it displays MISSING OPERATING SYSTEM but when i put these HDD's in one of my other PC's they boot without problem, could it be a failed IDE controller all the pins on the Motherboard IDE socket are intact. I can boot my Windows 1.01 boot floppy on it.
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Don_HH2K
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| 14 Oct, 2005 7:05 pm |
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First, this machine has no LBA controller so modern hard drives won't work with it. By modern I mean > 512MB. You need a hard drive capable of running in a mode that addresses the drive by cylinders, heads, and sectors. Ones not like that require the addition of an add-on card for LBA support, and at that the highest-capacity addon card for old ISA boards I can/could find was only 2GB.
Second, check the pins in the IDE socket. They bend really easily on this machine for whatever reason. If one is bent, cut the power and try to un-bend it with a flathead screwdriver.
Third, if you have one of the older-type IDE cables, you need to have the correct orientation of the cable and the motherboard (the controller on this machine does have the grooved top, but some old IDE cables don't). You might also try swapping out the cable altogether.
Fourth, make sure that the settings S2 and S3 are both set to OFF on switch SW502, located conveniently under the four ISA slots in this machine (have you figured out if the fourth one actually does anything with the backwards position it's in?)
Fifth, if you do have an add-on card for LBA functionality, make sure you have the jumpers where they should be, otherwise the HD won't be recognized.
Windows 3.1 should work fine, it is with operating systems requiring MMX extensions like 2000 that you'd have non-booting trouble. NTLDR and the DOS bootloader both are pure x86 assembly I believe so they should be able to easily boot as far back as a 386. The kernels are a different story, most modern kernels have MMX support (that 486s did not have). I recall running 3.1 on this machine for eons anyway. I assume the farthest you can go OS-wise would be 98 or NT, depending on which you find to be more advanced (98 has the full driver framework but NT has the full Win32 API... go figure, they split hardware and software support until Win2k).
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Ron Williams
Joined: 25 Nov 2003
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| 14 Oct, 2005 11:22 pm |
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| Don_HH2K wrote: | | You need a hard drive capable of running in a mode that addresses the drive by cylinders, heads, and sectors. . |
I had one of these on my original computer (pentium 90, blazing speed there  ). It was 10GB I believe, at least 8GB. I may be able to dig it up and give you a model number for it.
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