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izanbardprince
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Buy music???
It costs money 
Gee, who knew? 
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Antony
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keith
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| 25 Dec, 2004 9:18 am |
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Stealing music. Thats a big ongoijng debate/argument going on these days. But nreally, do you blame people? Who can afford to support the artists? For Example, A new CD came out the other day, and the darned thing was $35.00 and i only liked about 6 of the 20+ songs.
Keith
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DJGM
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| 25 Dec, 2004 9:22 am |
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Of course, there is the fact that only a small percentage of the money from record sales goes to the artists.
Most of it goes to lining the already bulging pockets of the fat cat bosses of the big name record companies.
But that's another subject entirely, which perhaps merits a discussion thread of it's own, so I've
split this discussion from "XP SP2 blocks iTunes?" to prevent that thread veering wildly off topic.
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Antony
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| 25 Dec, 2004 10:06 am |
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| Keith wrote: |  A new CD came out the other day, and the darned thing was $35.00 and i only liked about 6 of the 20+ songs. |
It's only 99 cents CND a song in iTunes Music Store Canada, which is even cheaper than the USA Store.
You don't need to buy the whole album from iTunes Music Store, just the songs you want.
I don't think you are in the situation to complain the cost of songs.
| DJGM wrote: | Of course, there is the fact that only a small percentage of the money from record sales goes to the artists.
Most of it goes to lining the already bulging pockets of the fat cat bosses of the big name record companies. |
that's not entirely true. By buying music through the legal channel, the artists get paid, and the entire business gets benefits, as they would lower down the cost of magazine you buy by advertising. In other words, you are helping the economics, and you will get benefits..
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DJGM
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| 25 Dec, 2004 12:06 pm |
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On average, most recording artists usually recieve about 5-10% of the profits made from every single CD sold.
I stand by the fact that most of the money goes to greedy multi million pound (or dollar) record companies,
that set prices on CD's at prices much higher than they're worth. That's why a lot of people choose to go
down the route of using internet P2P applications to download music for free. By litigating against their
customers, the "pigopolist" record company fat cats prove without doubt just how greedy they are.
If the record companies set prices for CD's at a much more reasonable level, programs such as the
original Napster, and other P2P services like KaZaA and LimeWire may never have been created.
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Antony
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| 25 Dec, 2004 8:28 pm |
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The cost of the music is not always that high. It's more like fashion clothing, once it's outdated, the price would be cheap.
Now, the pricing model. Most of the price do not actually go to the bosses of those producing and label companies. Music retailers takes a big portion of it. Those money would usually goes to advertisement or sponsorships from your local music stores and/or the music distribution company in your country. Everybody gets benefits from those advertisements or sponsorships.
The price of music is just like most things, once it covers the cost, people would set it to a price tag that were judged by demand and supply and aiming for the maximum revenue. My economics courses I learnt taught me this.
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Al
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| 25 Dec, 2004 11:21 pm |
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I think iTMS offered a darn good price for Canadians. I would support iTMS but sadly I don't have iTunes nor iPod. I do not support MSN Music or Napster because I think Apple is the place to buy Music. Best of all you can burn that music onto a CD which i think it a well worth. 20 song is only worth 19.80 which is a difference of 15.20 you can buy 40 songs with that money!
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Andrew T.
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| 26 Dec, 2004 12:54 am |
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Al uses Windows 98. The Windows version of iTunes is compatible only with Windows 2000 and XP.
If anything, this proves that one of the disadvantages iTunes and other legal online music download services have is that they are compatible only with certain operating systems and versions. But at least iTunes' goods aren't loaded down with Windows-, WMP-, and IE-requiring Digital Restrictions Management crud!
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izanbardprince
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| 27 Dec, 2004 2:51 am |
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I'll consider paying for them when they are indeed CD quality and they drop the copy control crap to let me do what I want with my files.
With anything you download on Itunes, you can't even change the damn file name.
It's not that I want to "steal" music, it's that I'll stop doing it when they present me when a viable alternative.
Also, for the price of downloading an albums worth of content, I can just buy the CD in the first place, what incentive do I have to download, provide my own CD to burn to, and not get the same quality of sound or the cover art?
So in short.
Good Quality.
No Copy Control crippling.
Price them at about 75 cents per or so.
And I'll buy.
As for supporting the artist, why should I fund their cocaine habits and 12 story mansions?
It's the RIAA that takes in 95% of the profit anyway.
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izanbardprince
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| 27 Dec, 2004 2:53 am |
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Oh right, and don't even get me started on their Ipod price gouging.
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izanbardprince
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| 27 Dec, 2004 2:57 am |
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| DJGM wrote: | On average, most recording artists usually recieve about 5-10% of the profits made from every single CD sold.
I stand by the fact that most of the money goes to greedy multi million pound (or dollar) record companies,
that set prices on CD's at prices much higher than they're worth. That's why a lot of people choose to go
down the route of using internet P2P applications to download music for free. By litigating against their
customers, the "pigopolist" record company fat cats prove without doubt just how greedy they are.
If the record companies set prices for CD's at a much more reasonable level, programs such as the
original Napster, and other P2P services like KaZaA and LimeWire may never have been created. |
The average CD price WAS about $20 US before all the P2P apps came out.
Now they've dived to $10-$13 a piece and they're still filthy stinking rich.
Just shows you there was never any need for that kind of price gouging to begin with, and now they're just crying because they have something to compete with.
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Antony
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| 27 Dec, 2004 4:07 am |
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| izanbardprince wrote: | | I'll consider paying for them when they are indeed CD quality and they drop the copy control crap to let me do what I want with my files. |
You have full control your legally purchased music songs (files) from iTunes Music Store (iTMS).
I am not talking about the CD copy control in Microsoft's version.
All songs (protected) from iTMS are able to be burned as many times as you like. The only burning control is the Playlist, which is limited to 7 times, and you can create as many Playlist as you wish.
AAC encoding at 128bps is similar to 192bps of MP3 quality. Both are considered to be near CD quality.
| izanbardprince wrote: | | With anything you download on Itunes, you can't even change the damn file name. |
Where you got those information from? File names can be changed even with the protected songs.
| izanbardprince wrote: | | Also, for the price of downloading an albums worth of content, I can just buy the CD in the first place, what incentive do I have to download, provide my own CD to burn to, and not get the same quality of sound or the cover art? |
Purchased music from iTMS gives you high quality of cover art.
| izanbardprince wrote: | So in short.
Good Quality.
No Copy Control crippling.
Price them at about 75 cents per or so.
And I'll buy.
As for supporting the artist, why should I fund their cocaine habits and 12 story mansions?
It's the RIAA that takes in 95% of the profit anyway. |
No body begs you to buy music. You are now warned about your attitude.
We always welcome and respect different opinion, however complaining and ranting is not allowed. You are not welcome to post that has more of complaining then discussion. You are requested to change your tone.
You've been warned.
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Al
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| 27 Dec, 2004 6:58 pm |
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Back to topic. can someone tell me if there is a music store cheaper than 99 cents Canadian? If there is, iTMS should really lower there prices
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