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Fulvio
Joined: 19 Jun 2002
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 20 Feb, 2005 6:45 pm |
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This is a funny one, i.e. the adbar part. But, having mostly empty space, one may want to fill. But, I have it already filled with links to almost everything. (the external applications extention running amok.
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"I've got a very poor sense of direction. I keep forgetting which way is forwards."
WinXP, SP3, 512 MB, 3.0.15 regular, 3.5.5 regular and portable , TB2.0.0.23, Flock2.5.2, IE8.0, SM2.0, Google Chrome2.0.x, Safari4.0.4, Zone Alarm; AVG9.0, JRE1.6_17 |
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Alice
Alice Wyman
Joined: 21 Jul 2002
Posts: 1787
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| 20 Feb, 2005 6:53 pm |
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Bookmarks toolbar items still missing every time I start the browser requiring toggling the window size to restore. A real pain.
"Clear cache on browser exit" is a new option (Tools > Options > Privacy > Cache).
I also noticed a preference browsing about:config that seems rather ominous:
browser.datatracking.guid (user set)
followed by a very long alphanumeric string value. I reset it which wiped the number... then restarted the browser, and a brand new data tracking number appeared. What's the deal with that, anyone?
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Antony
Joined: 18 Jun 2002
Posts: 12754
Location: Sydney, Australia
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| 20 Feb, 2005 7:06 pm |
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| Hendikins wrote: |  As you can see, adbar still looks like it belongs there   |
Interesting. That adbar is installed by someone who tends to remove every single ads.
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Alice
Alice Wyman
Joined: 21 Jul 2002
Posts: 1787
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| 20 Feb, 2005 7:12 pm |
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| Hendikins wrote: | When installing, it displays a blank EULA, so does that mean I'm not bound by one?  |
I saw the EULA when I installed and saved a copy:
Netscape Browser Beta Testing Agreement
Thank you for your interest in testing this beta version of the Netscape browser. AOL Instant Messenger (“AIM”) is included with this Netscape browser beta. The beta version of the Netscape browser and the AIM software are referred to collectively herein as the “Beta Browser.” The following terms govern your use and testing of the Beta Browser. YOU MAY TEST THE BETA BROWSER ONLY IF YOU AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS NETSCAPE BROWSER BETA TESTING AGREEMENT (THE “AGREEMENT”). BY CLICKING “I AGREE,” OR BY DOWNLOADING, INSTALLING OR USING THE BETA BROWSER, YOU AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT, YOU AGREE TO RECEIVE NOTICES FROM NETSCAPE ELECTRONICALLY, YOU AGREE TO THE PRIVACY PRACTICES DISCLOSED IN PARAGRAPH 4 BELOW, AND YOU CONSENT TO JURISDICTION IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA FOR ANY DISPUTE. YOU ALSO AGREE THAT NETSCAPE MAY GATHER INFORMATION RELATING TO, AND CONTACT YOU ABOUT, YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE BETA BROWSER. If you do not agree to these terms, do not click “I Agree” and do not install or use the Beta Browser.
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(too long to post... if anyone wants a copy, just ask)
Here is the paragraph that might be related to the "datatracking" I asked about earlier:
4. PRIVACY.
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(c) BROWSER ID. During the beta testing, your software will contain a specific identification number for the purpose of tracking the number of unique instances of the Beta Browser being used by our testers. This number is not associated with any other information about you. Without limiting the foregoing, it is not tied to any personal information about you.
<snip>
Netscape Browser Beta EULA Rev. 2/07/05
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Pu7o
Joined: 06 Jan 2005
Posts: 1978
Location: Portugal
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| 20 Feb, 2005 7:47 pm |
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i guess i'll have to update my cxoffice if i wnt to use nsb...
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Antony
Joined: 18 Jun 2002
Posts: 12754
Location: Sydney, Australia
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| 20 Feb, 2005 8:20 pm |
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| Hendikins wrote: | | When installing, it displays a blank EULA, so does that mean I'm not bound by one? |
So you also managed to bypass that EULA?
If I remember correctly it's an offence to remove any official notice/warning/signs without authorisation.
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Hendikins
Joined: 26 Aug 2002
Posts: 615
Location: All stations to Zig Zag via the North Shore Line
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| 21 Feb, 2005 12:00 am |
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| Antony wrote: | | Hendikins wrote: | | When installing, it displays a blank EULA, so does that mean I'm not bound by one? |
So you also managed to bypass that EULA? |
Nope. Due to a Wine bug, it simply wasn't displayed. I made no attempt to bypass it.
| Antony wrote: | | Interesting. That adbar is installed by someone who tends to remove every single ads. |
The browser is already so full of commercial garbage that it just looks as if it belongs there.
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Gregor
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Pu7o
Joined: 06 Jan 2005
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| 21 Feb, 2005 6:11 am |
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| Quote: | | If you choose the "I trust this site" setting, the site will come up in Internet Explorer |
Then I trust no site on the internet 
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Antony
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Alice
Alice Wyman
Joined: 21 Jul 2002
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| 21 Feb, 2005 7:20 am |
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| Antony wrote: | | Alice wrote: | One thing I noticed,
If you choose the "I trust this site" setting, the site will come up in Internet Explorer. The "I trust this site"... setting is described as "to enable maximum site functionality. |
Please see my post on page 3 of this thread |
| Antony, in his earlier post, wrote: | The default setting for rendering trusted sites is set to Internet Explorer.
I wonder what is Netscape doing... |
What Netscape is doing, without saying so in so many words (in my opinion):
1. ASSUMING that people prefer using Internet Explorer to render pages, since it will "enable maximum site functionality"
2. ASSUMING what people mean when they say, "I trust this site" is, that this site is OK to display in Internet Explorer because it doesn't contain anything harmful. This is COMPLETELY ignoring the possibility that some users PREFER using Netscape, even for trusted sites! The "I trust this site" setting is therefore misleading.
3. The "I'm not sure" setting, in which you want to "balance functionality and security ".. (you're not sure if you trust the site.... the site MAY contain harmful content) PROPERLY displays the page like Netscape, which is a SAFER, more Secure browser. However, that IMPLIES that functionality will suffer when Netscape page-rendering is used.
By the way, here is what I wrote earlier, in context
....Antony, you get the credit for first mentioning the part highlighted in red
| Quote: | One thing I noticed,
If you choose the "I trust this site" setting, the site will come up in Internet Explorer. The "I trust this site"... setting is described as "to enable maximum site functionality. If you use "I'm not sure" or "I don't trust this site" setting, then the site will display in Netscape . That makes perfect sense, because Netscape rendering is more secure than IE, and only sites that you trust should ever be opened in Internet Explorer.
Sites which haven't been "verified" by Netscape's "security partners" (the shield icon on the tab will be in yellow) such as sillydog.org, will come up by default with Netscape's rendering engine, which is very good!
However, some people will click the yellow shield on the tab and then might click on "I trust this site". What will happen then, the page will be reloaded and the site is then rendered in Internet Explorer. It's unfortunate that it's been set up that way, equating "I trust this site" with rendering the page in Internet Explorer, with the explanation given, "to enable maximim site functionality". |
Speaking of security and privacy issues, I noticed that the Cookie EXCEPTIONS (Cookies Sites tab in Moz/NS7.xx) button is GONE from the Privacy > Cookies options. Was it also gone from Prototype v2? I don't remember. The Site Controls method of blocking cookies doesn't cut it for me, since it doesn't let you selectively block domains such as doubleclick.net, fastclick.net, hitbox, atdmt etc. Your only option is to block all third-party cookies from controlled sites (unless I'm missing something).
I'm not happy with this new Netscape browser at all.
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Alice
Alice Wyman
Joined: 21 Jul 2002
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| 21 Feb, 2005 8:15 am |
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| Fulvio wrote: | | But, I figured out how to remove the Search item, and, that makes me feel good. |
| Fulvio wrote: | This is taken from someone else's post at thre Message Board, and, it involves editing the localstore.rdf file. This part:
<RDF:Description RDF:about="chrome://browser/content/browser.xul#nav-bar"
currentset="back-button,forward-button,stop-reload-button,home-button, etc.
/>
It is a long one, but there should be a "search-container" part of the line. If you remove only that part, save and then reopen the browser, you, finally, get a reasonable size for the URL bar.
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Here's the post, for the record, from community.netscape.com
Netscape Browser Review, General forum, "personal toolbar" topic:
Posted Feb-18 8:13 PM From suckerformoz [Msg # 383.15 383.14 ]
| Quote: | hey I figured out how to remove the search box, just be careful and backup the file before you change it.
1. exit netscape completely
2. go to your netscape profile folder, e.g. C:\Documents and Settings\yourusername\Application Data\Netscape\NSAE\Profiles\randomgibberish.default
3. make a backup copy of localstore.rdf
4. open up localstore.rdf in notepad and edit/find: search-container
in mine it was
currentset="back-button,forward-button,stop-reload-button,home-button,urlbar-container,search-container"
I changed it to
currentset="back-button,forward-button,stop-reload-button,home-button,urlbar-container"
saved it, started up netscape and voila no more search bar.
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Also a similar trick can be used on C:\Program Files\Netscape\Netscape Browser\defaults\sitecontrols\sitecontrols_defaults.rdf to clean up the built-in site list, just make sure you leave the "Master settings" zones alone.
Finally, the idle CPU usage is pretty high if you leave the default tickers/live bookmarks running on the toolbar. remove them off the toolbar/multibars completely cause they take up CPU usage even if they aren't visible.
I submitted a few more bugs via the bug form but I thought the above workarounds might be useful for everyone to see. |
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James
Joined: 12 Jul 2002
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| 21 Feb, 2005 2:43 pm |
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Any word when the "official.. public" release will be made available?
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James
It's later than you think.
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Pu7o
Joined: 06 Jan 2005
Posts: 1978
Location: Portugal
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| 21 Feb, 2005 2:47 pm |
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supposedly it's at the end of the month
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Antony
Joined: 18 Jun 2002
Posts: 12754
Location: Sydney, Australia
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| 21 Feb, 2005 4:09 pm |
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| Alice wrote: | What Netscape is doing, without saying so in so many words (in my opinion):
1. ASSUMING that people prefer using Internet Explorer to render pages, since it will "enable maximum site functionality" |
Because the fact that Microsoft Internet Explorer is still the most popular browser, and hence, logically, most websites enhanced their websites for MSIE first before spending time to take the advantage of other browsers.
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