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UFAQ.org cybersquats SillyDog701

Postby Antony » Sun 08 May, 2005 1:25 am

It's really interesting.

Type sillydog701.org, sillydog.info and sillydog.us to the location field and guess what those URLs lead you to.

That's right, the so-called number 1 website.

Fact: The website removed all references to SillyDog701 (sillydog.org)

But they also need to trick people to their so-called number 1 website?

SillyDog701 has never self-claimed as number 1 website.

Please see this thread for [sdt=7565]Important background information[/sdt].
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Postby Don_HH2K » Sun 08 May, 2005 10:11 am

It says in that warning message by Jay Garcia that you registered UFAQ.net, although UFAQ.net redirects to UFAQ.org. Is this some sort of revenge technique, of which I'm missing important details to (that is, I've never heard that you registered UFAQ.net)?
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Postby Antony » Sun 08 May, 2005 10:23 am

dluchini30 wrote:It says in that warning message by Jay Garcia
Which warning message?
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Postby Antony » Sun 08 May, 2005 10:39 am

dluchini30 wrote:It says in that warning message by Jay Garcia that you registered UFAQ.net, although UFAQ.net redirects to UFAQ.org. Is this some sort of revenge technique, of which I'm missing important details to (that is, I've never heard that you registered UFAQ.net)?

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Please see this post for more detail and more screenshots. It looked all the same for the three aforementioned URLs.

Re: ufaq.net, I parked ufaq.net domain, the ufaq.net domain has NEVER pointed to any SillyDog701 (or MozInfo701, MacCentre701, etc) content ever. Unlike the dirty tactic used by another Netscape support site.

However, due to a quick notice that more traffic to ufaq.net were intended for ufaq.org, I simply pointed to ufaq.org free of charge.
I was giving them a favour. The return is an intention of stealing SillyDog701's popularity.

SillyDog701 does not need to steal Jay Garcia's 7 million hits traffic.

SillyDog701 condemns such dirty tactic to gain traffic. SillyDog701 also urges supporters to spread the word about the correct URL ( sillydog.org ). They unethical behaviour has forced SillyDog701 to reconsider the relationship with UFAQ.org.
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Postby Don_HH2K » Sun 08 May, 2005 11:14 am

Antony wrote:
dluchini30 wrote:It says in that warning message by Jay Garcia
Which warning message?

Perhaps you're not seeing what I'm getting. Here's what I get when I visit those three domains:
Jay Garcia wrote:Why Register SillyDog.info, SillyDog.us and SillyDog701.org
Antony Shen has made allegations that I registered the above three domains in order to steal users away from his SillyDog support site.

Nothing could be further from the truth as SillyDog (Antony Shen) has always supported my UFAQ and I have always had good things to say about his SillyDog efforts.

I registered those three domains mainly as a joke and in response to Antony's registering of UFAQ.NET and his non-response to my many emails and postings asking him why he registered that domain. Antony has chosen to not respond to that question.

Antony Shen owes the entire Netscape Community an apology for even remotely suggesting that registering the above three domains amounts to copyright infringement. The registereing of the three domains was nothing but a practical joke for the most part and was done in order to illicit a response from Antony as to why he registered UFAQ.NET and what his intentions were to do so, even though UFAQ.NET redirects to my UFAQ.ORG. I can't help but think that Antony has "something up his sleeve", why else would he register UFAQ.NET. Maybe it is HE that wants to eventually use the domain to "steal" users, 'eh?

Antony, if you tender your apology for posting those stupid charges on your forum, I'll redirect those three domains to your SillyDog site.

Sinceerely, Jay Garcia - UFAQ.ORG
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Postby Mandrake » Sun 08 May, 2005 11:45 am

I'm seeing the message from Jay when I access those domains as well.
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Postby Antony » Sun 08 May, 2005 11:50 am

Thanks, you might want to red my response in [sdp=56712]this post[/sdp].

Jay Garcia wrote:I registered those three domains mainly as a joke and in response to Antony's registering of UFAQ.NET and his non-response to my many emails and postings asking him why he registered that domain. Antony has chosen to not respond to that question.
A big lie. Mr Jay Garcia has an email address I gave him (and Chris). I just checked it few hours ago, no new messages since last year.
In fact, the formal communication channel is the Feedback page, which Mr Garcia refused to use. As for postings, where did he post to?

Jay Garcia wrote:Antony Shen owes the entire Netscape Community an apology for even remotely suggesting that registering the above three domains amounts to copyright infringement.
I owe the Netscape Community an apology?

I never used a spare domain name (ufaq.net) I have to point to any of SillyDog701 content. Unlike him, using the popularity of SillyDog701 and pointing to UFAQ.org.

I never mentioned "copyright infringement". Read carefully.

Jay Garcia wrote:The registereing of the three domains was nothing but a practical joke for the most part and was done in order to illicit a response from Antony as to why he registered UFAQ.NET and what his intentions were to do so, even though UFAQ.NET redirects to my UFAQ.ORG. I can't help but think that Antony has "something up his sleeve", why else would he register UFAQ.NET. Maybe it is HE that wants to eventually use the domain to "steal" users, 'eh?
I answered that in previous post. Again, I've never used ufaq.net to point to any SillyDog701 content.

Let's check what has happened in the past:
Fact: SillyDog701 does not ban visitor's access (except one member). SillyDog701 does not UFAQ.org's access, nor any known people from UFAQ.
Fact: UFAQ.org banned my access to its site at one stage.

Fact: SillyDog701 does not play any stupid word censoring games.
Fact: UFAQ.org played word censoring games at one stage, replacing "SillyDog" to "GoofyMutt", and was caught by Google's Cache.

Jay Garcia wrote:Antony, if you tender your apology for posting those stupid charges on your forum, I'll redirect those three domains to your SillyDog site.

Sinceerely, Jay Garcia - UFAQ.ORG
Mr Jay Garcia?
You are the one requiring to make a formal apology on your unacceptable tactic.
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Postby Kucing » Mon 09 May, 2005 2:57 am

This looks like an interesting topic and I've spent about an hour looking through the given information. Although Antony seem to be a bit anxious, but registering 3 domains all consisting "sillydog", and one of these even uses "SillyDog701" with the fact that SillyDog701's URL is sillydog.org, it simply demonstrated the clear intention of misleading visitors and stealing traffic.
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Postby Antony » Mon 09 May, 2005 8:23 pm

Kucing wrote:This looks like an interesting topic and I’ve spent about an hour looking through the given information. Although Antony seem to be a bit anxious, but registering 3 domains all consisting "sillydog", and one of these even uses "SillyDog701" with the fact that SillyDog701's URL is sillydog.org, it simply demonstrated the clear intention of misleading visitors and stealing traffic.
Exactly.

Three (3) domains, not just one. Had I not discovered, those three domains would still be pointing to UFAQ.org as it has been.

Jay Garcia's response.
Jay Garcia wrote:The registration of the three domains had nothing to do with stealing SillyDog users. What benefit is there to stealing users is beyond me.


A so called "practical joke" requires 3 domains, when all those domains consists of exact spelling of "sillydog" and all pointed to that UFAQ.org? The intention is crispy clear - using SillyDog701's popularity to drive traffic.
A "joke" that requires 3 domains and all pointed to that UFAQ.org, and in the fact that he was fully aware that a spare domain I own - ufaq.net - provides free courtesy for him.

And check this as well,
Jay Garcia wrote:Now, Antony, if you ask politely and apologize concerning the unwarranted accusations and mudslinging on your forum, I'll redirect all three domains to Sillydog, FREE of CHARGE for a period of one year when the registration runs out.

And he demands me to apologise to someone who cybersquatted SillyDog701?
Allow me to repeat I provide my courtesy (redirecting to his domain) for him FREE of CHARGE.

This does not even require a high school degree to tell the dirty tactic and the unacceptable intention used by UFAQ.org.
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Postby Antony » Tue 10 May, 2005 1:21 am

Mr Jay Garcia has changed the message again. Let's take a look:
Jay Garcia wrote:Image

(A screenshot is provided in case he removes it.)

Anyone who's interested to see a saved copy of his previous message please feel free to contact me.

Please note that he no longer demands me to apologise to someone who cybersquatted SillyDog701.

As for a spare domain name I own (ufaq.net), there's no secret business going on. And I provide FREE re-direction to ufaq.org as a courtesy.

Mr Jay Garcia holds three (3) domains (as opposite to just one which shows good courtesy) consisting exact spelling "sillydog", and pointed to ufaq.org, a clear example of using SillyDog701's popularity to gain traffic. Unofficial Netscape FAQ is a well known Netscape support site, it is a shameful thing that they have to use such dirty tactic to gain additional traffic.

Issuing me a deadline? He is the one should apologise.

Should any framing or threats from Unofficial Netscape FAQ, SillyDog701 will respond accordingly.

SillyDog701 condemns UFAQ.org's unethical tactic to gain traffic based on SillyDog701's popularity.
SillyDog701's correct URL is http://sillydog.org/
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Postby ChrisI » Tue 10 May, 2005 1:52 am

Antony, let me give you a nickel's worth of free advice.
People go to technical support forums to get technical help, not read about your personal issues. Stop using your user support forums as your blog.
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Postby Antony » Tue 10 May, 2005 2:00 am

ChrisI wrote:Antony, let me give you a nickel's worth of free advice.
People go to technical support forums to get technical help, not read about your personal issues. Stop using your user support forums as your blog.
Thank you for your advice.

I will focus on technical support here, and I will add those to my blog.

However, this is an important issue regarding SillyDog701, and I have a duty to inform SillyDog701 users that SillyDog701's correct URL is http://sillydog.org/
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Postby ChrisI » Wed 11 May, 2005 1:42 am

You're telling people that are already at the correct URL. :idea:
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Postby Antony » Wed 11 May, 2005 1:45 am

ChrisI wrote:You're telling people that are already at the correct URL. :idea:
Well, it turns out that I have no way to tell people that are not at the correct URL about the correct URL.
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Postby Antony » Fri 13 May, 2005 12:02 am

Welcome on board, Jay Garcia
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