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by **Mandrake** » Tue 22 Jun, 2004 12:39 am

I just installed SuSE Linux 9.1 on my main PC, and it's literally one of the best OS's I've ever used. Straight after the default install all my devices were installed and working, I could access the others Windows machines on the network and much more. The system literally flies with the new 2.6 Kernel. The only small downside I could find is that it takes about twice as long as Windows XP does to load up, aside from that - it's awesome!

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by **Jeffredo** » Tue 22 Jun, 2004 7:53 am

My MS Intellimouse 4.0's scroll wheel wouldn't work properly (even though IM Mouse is installed) and I had to go back to an older MS optical mouse (works fine). Also, I've managed to crash Konquerer twice (one caused a total crash of Linux) while running a Javascript speed test at http://www.24fun.com/downloadcenter/ben ... nchjs.html and trying to play a movie trailer at Fandango.com. Even though I instructed it to use Real Player, it brought up the Kaffiene media player and crashed the system. I thought Linux was supposed to be pretty much "crash free"! I've also had various issues with preferences and passwords not being remembered the wallet, Konquerer and the Control Center (although that's probably a KDE issue, not necessarily SuSe 9.1).

Suse 9.1 is my first experience with Linux and I'm hanging in there with it, but I was a bit surprised at the rough edges on what I heard was one of the more polished Linux distros.

I'm intrigued by Linux and want to learn it, but I must say it definitely isn't "ready for primetime" or to be a Windows replacement straight out of the box (although a distro like Lycoris or Xandros might be different) for a total "noob" like me! :wink:

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by **Mandrake** » Tue 22 Jun, 2004 8:31 am

My IntelliMouse Explorer USB worked fine out of the box with SuSE Linux 9.1, it works as well as it does under Windows XP Professional. I don't really using Konqueror as a web browser that often, so I can't comment on it crashing, but SuSE has never crashed on me.

You should see an old distro like SuSE 8.0, from 2002, and compare it to 9.1. If the present rate of improvement continues, I think SuSE/Novell will have a desktop OS as good as Windows within two or so years.

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by **DJGM** » Tue 22 Jun, 2004 2:59 pm

Mandrake wrote:If the present rate of improvement continues, I think SuSE/Novell
will have a desktop OS as good as Windows within two or so years.

Now there's a comment that's bound to annoy most (if not all) Linux purists . . . !

Meanwhile, I'm not happy with SUSE 9.1, since it did'nt detect and configure my sound card.
I have the Creative SoundBlaster PCI128 card, which works fine in SUSE 9.0, but does not
appear to work with the latest version of the OS. So I'm rather annoyed, especially when
the soundcard I have is such a common and popular one. What makes this worse is
that there are no Linux drivers on the CreativeLabs website for my souncard.

Now that leaves me with a silent OS. And a silent OS is near useles to me . . .

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by **DJGM** » Tue 22 Jun, 2004 4:11 pm

Unfortunately I cannot find suitable drivers to make my soundcard work on SUSE 9.1.
I'm glad SUSE/Novell released that ISO of SUSE 9.1 Personal Edition. If I'd bought
the boxed version, only to find this problem, I would be a lot more disappointed.

Meanwhile, (sadly) it looks like I'm going back to Windows for the forseeable future . . .

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by **Don_HH2K** » Tue 22 Jun, 2004 8:37 pm

If you think that only having your sound card not work is bad, I can run off a very long list of things that don't work for me in Linux.
1. My monitor (displays only at 640x480)
2. My mouse (doesn't scroll)
3. My sound card (8-bit sound only)
4. My Wavelan PC card (won't start at all even with PCMCIA package)
5. My CD burner (if a CD is over 100MB)
6. My modem (Winmodem...)
7. My NIC card (no idea)

And a few more, which I am too lazy to describe right now.

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by **Edward** » Thu 24 Jun, 2004 8:34 pm

DJGM wrote:Meanwhile, I'm not happy with SUSE 9.1, since it did'nt detect and configure my sound card.
I have the Creative SoundBlaster PCI128 card, which works fine in SUSE 9.0, but does not
appear to work with the latest version of the OS. So I'm rather annoyed, especially when
the soundcard I have is such a common and popular one. What makes this worse is
that there are no Linux drivers on the CreativeLabs website for my souncard.

Now that leaves me with a silent OS. And a silent OS is near useles to me . . .

I'm in agreement with DJGM WRT SuSE 9.1, except for a different reason - inability to print.

I have reported the issue in another thread on SillyDog, and have read on some Linux-related web sites that others are also having printing problems but with Fedora 2 and Mandrake 10. So I do not believe this issue is related to SuSE, it appears to be a Linux problem and I'm guessing it may have to do with the new 2.6 kernel or CUPS.

In my situation, downgrading back to SuSE 9.0 took care of the problem.

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by **Phoenix21692** » Fri 25 Jun, 2004 10:12 am

Fortunately, the only thing that didn't work for me on Linux was the WinModem for obvious reasons and that's it. The distro I used was MandrakeLinux 9.2, which I've always used on my laptop since January. Another intersting is that on this distro I can use a 3-button Belkin USB mouse and emulate the browser scroll with the middle button with no problem.

From what I gather, I think MandrakeLinux 10.0, SUSE 9.1, and Fedora Core 2 are all based on the the newer kernel, and that might be the culprit of the problem.

And another thing, did SUSE ever release the ISO for SUSE 9.0 (Personal Edition)?

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by **DJGM** » Fri 25 Jun, 2004 3:04 pm

This is the first time that any ISO's have been officially available for an installable version of SUSE Linux.
Up until now, the official SUSE ISO's have been for the Live Eval version that boots and runs from CD.

Meanwhile, I've been trying again with SUSE Linux 9.1 . . . but with no apparent luck . . .

I deleted the partitions on which I installed SUSE Linux 9.1, and tried a somewhat rather long, drawn
out approach, by first installing SUSE Linux 8.1 Personal afresh. This worked just fine. I then ran an
installation of SUSE Linux 8.2 Personal, as an upgrade. Again, this went without a hitch.

After that I upgraded to SUSE Linux 9.0. The only difference is that my copy of SUSE Linux 9.0
was the Professional Edition, not the Personal Edition. As before, this upgrade went smoothly.

I then rebooted my PC with the SUE Linux 9.1 Personal Edition CD-ROM that I burned from the
official ISO released earlier this week. This is when I encountered a hitch. A major hitch that
meant I could not continue. When YaST displayed the pre-install configuration summary, it
did not prompt me to choose whether I wanted to do an upgrade, or install afresh.

When I attempted to change the install mode from "New installation" to "update", a dialog box
appeared, informing me "This product is only for new installations", or words to that effect.

So, even if I did continue, the previous three hours would have all been for nothing.

While it's certainly a good thing that we can now officially get a fully installable SUSE Linux
distro in ISO form, it's really annoying that it only allows you to perform a new installation,
and offers no upgradability from previous versions. IMO, that needs to be rectified, ASAP.

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by **Don_HH2K** » Fri 25 Jun, 2004 3:47 pm

I would be using Linux if it worked for me... In addition to what Mandrake 9.2 does to me (see above), I recently tried putting Redhat 6.2 on one of my older PCs, and after a two-hour install it wouldn't boot to KDE and I was stuck in command-line mode.

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by **Phoenix21692** » Fri 25 Jun, 2004 5:11 pm

Don, was the above the problems you encountered on MandrakeLinux 9.2? Anyway, if you're stuck in command-line, try to log in, type in "startx" and press Enter. This is another way to get to the desktop. If it doesn't work, it'll explain what happened. Let me know if this works.

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by **Edward** » Fri 25 Jun, 2004 5:12 pm

DJGM wrote:I then rebooted my PC with the SUE Linux 9.1 Personal Edition CD-ROM that I burned from the
official ISO released earlier this week. This is when I encountered a hitch. A major hitch that
meant I could not continue. When YaST displayed the pre-install configuration summary, it
did not prompt me to choose whether I wanted to do an upgrade, or install afresh.

When I attempted to change the install mode from "New installation" to "update", a dialog box
appeared, informing me "This product is only for new installations", or words to that effect.

So, even if I did continue, the previous three hours would have all been for nothing.

In full agreement. I wanted to update it right from 9.0 to 9.1 without having to start anew, wouldn't do it.

Did you try running YaST and selecting System Update from there to see if it would update? At the time, I did not think of this when I installed 9.1.

I believe there are some major problems with the 2.6 kernel, and perhaps the Linux companies should not have released new versions based on 2.6.

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by **Phoenix21692** » Fri 25 Jun, 2004 5:17 pm

About the situation with SUSE Linux 9.x, does this mean that only Professional versions can do the upgrade? It looks like you cannot do so with 9.1 Personal Edition. But, are upgrades possible with 9.0 Personal Edition? And yes, SUSE/Novell should definitely rectify the issue regarding upgrades to 9.1 from 9.0, etc.

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by **Don_HH2K** » Fri 25 Jun, 2004 7:04 pm

StartX gives me a problem saying that it could not establish a connection with an X server.

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by **DJGM** » Sat 26 Jun, 2004 5:08 am

dluchini30 wrote:StartX gives me a problem saying that it could not establish a connection with an X server.

That generally means that your graphics card and/or monitor aren't fully compatible with
whatever version of Linux you're trying to use. Ideally, most current and recent Linux
distributions should work with most common graphics cards and monitors.

The "X Server" means the X Windowing System, or X11, which acts as the base for
all UNIX and Linux GUI's. It's not actually a "server", and as such, it has nothing
really to do with the internet or any network you may be connected to.

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