SillyDog701

[Fulvio]

In case someone may raise objections to what I say, because I tend to have more than one version of a browser. No, I have only one e-mail client, i.e. TB3.1.6, or I should say, I had till a few hours ago, which I wasted trying to make it work. One account, my default isp account stopped received e-mails on 11/18. When I click on Get Mail, it times out. And, at the same time, it timed out trying to send mail.
However, as Webmail, that accounts works fine, as well as five other addresses of the same ISP. They receive and send normally. I reinstalled TB2.0.0.24, and sure enough it acted up, with a different profile, and so did Seamonkey. I may have to go to Windows Live. Tech support is at a loss, since I get mail as Webmail, and at all other accounts.
But, 3.1.6 is the prize winner, as it, always tries to set up mail with non-existent servers of its choice. Not only that, but it selects as IMAP accounts. Although I enter the correct POP settings, it won't work. After a few hours, I ended up losing one account, and, still, not being able to set up correctly a new account, to which I was trying to forward the Webmail of the whacked out account. After three or four tries, I was able to stop the arbitrary set up of the account, catching when it was testing a variety of combinations, catching on POP, stopping it, and setting up manually. I will take another look at 3.1.6, and most likely give up.
Why can't I have a choice of setting up my account, properly, rather than being bestowed with non-existent servers? I wonder how many people have given up on Thunderbird.

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[Fulvio]

Update: I installed Windows Live, and the account in question works fine. I had not used Outlook Express since 2006, it sickens me to see these problem. So, no mail is downloaded, since 1 AM on 11/19 in TB 2.0.0.24 and 3.1.6, and Seamonkey. The same accounts is having problems sending mail. It goes as far as showing :"downloading message 1 of 8", and timing out. All messages are downloaded in OE6 and in Webmail.

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[James]

Hi Fulvio. Sorry to hear about your problems. I haven't used Thunderbird in a few years but I've heard bad things about it. Besides, as I mentioned in another thread, I tend to get most of my mail today via gmail which really is an awesome webmail. However, I do still have a pop mail account and I used Windows Live which is the upgraded... updated Outlook Express. It's really a very nice mail program and I have no issues with it whatsoever. You can find it here:

http://explore.live.com/windows-live-mail?os=other

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[Fulvio]

All messages are downloaded in OE6 and in Webmail.

James,
I ,never, had an issue with TB, until v.3 came out. My particular problem is very odd as the issue persists across all three Mozilla programs, and in, only, one of our six ISP accounts. It started, for no good reason, five days ago, but, as I stated above, no issues in Outlook Express (OE6) or Webmail.
And TB 3.1.6 has been proven to be a cuss to set up new accounts.

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[Fulvio]

The good tech guy at Cox diagnosed the problem, after Outlook Express timed out, trying to send an e-mail with a 6 MB attachment. He asked me to uncheck, in my Anti Virus, the box to check incoming and outgoing mail. And, he said to check Thunderbird, and, sure enough new mail downloaded, and I was able to send the e-mail with the 6 MB attachment, using Thunderbird. He had no explanation for the fact that only one account was affected, and Thunderbird, and Seamonkey, were the worst off. Oh well, it could have been worse. I wasted, only, a couple of days.
But, still, TB 3.6.12 is a pain in the neck.

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[Edward]

There is one thing I do not like about the Linux version of Thunderbird, when creating a new e-mail account, it automatically looks for the incoming and outgoing mail server information, based on the domain information after the @ sign.

For a Gmail account, it indicated the servers were imap.googlemail.com and smtp.googlemail.com, when they should have been imap.gmail.com and smtp.gmail.com.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 SeaMonkey/2.0.10

[Fulvio]

The mail setup is the biggest gripe, and the TB developers know about it, and it goes the same for all OS.
Bug reports have been filed, and one has to fight with TB3.x miserable attempts to give set up. I have Cox, as ISP, and it uses regional servers, like pop(smtp).east(central, or west).cox.net. TB tries to enter either IMAP, and I might as well cancel, because even changing, manually, to the correct server, won't work. In other words if it says that it is an IMAP server, and correct to the proper pop server, and port, nothing will work. If TB choses POP, then, it can be corrected. TB finds non-existent servers, without the regional designation.
It took me three tries to get the proper set up when I tried to set up a new account.
May be the intent was find the proper settings, when people did not know what they were, but TB is even worse.
That's why I am keeping 3.1.6, but went back to 2.0.0.24.

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[Edward]

I remember regional servers. When the ISP was MediaOne, they used ne. (New England) around here, but when they were purchased by AT&T and became AT&T Broadband (in 2001), they did away with the regional designations for e-mail, the same now with Comcast, no regional designation used.

I didn't notice this behavior with Thunderbird under Windows as when it was installed, it pulled the account information from the SeaMonkey installation.

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[Fulvio]

I think that Cox is phasing out the regional settings. It can use either central or east. I don't know if it could handle west. Regardless, it is a POP account, and when it came up IMAP, I could do nothing to correct the setting, as it is possible with TB2.x.

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[Edward]

If the developers know about it, I would hope they would fix it before too long.

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[Fulvio]

Bug reports have been filed, but, so far, I don't see any sign of a revision. I have been testing TB3.3a2, and it has the same set up.

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[richard mitnick]

Hi Fulvio-

I have not been "around" SillyDog for a while, incredibly busy with a new i7 and with my ScienceSprings blog (which I wish you would check out, after all, you are a scientist).

I put TB 3.1.6 on the i7 with no problems. I am sorry you are having trouble with it. I wish I could help, but, you know, one step below the surface and I am lost.

I have Office XP now on this machine, with Outlook, which I could easily set up; but I see no need. I just have no use for any web mail. It's just too klunky to need to keep going to it to see if there is anything new. i just keep Outlook or TB open and what ever flows in it just flow in.

I hope that you are feeling well, a belated Happy Thanksgiving, and best wishes in the Holiday season.

>>RSM

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[iJohnE]

There is one thing I do not like about the Linux version of Thunderbird, when creating a new e-mail account, it automatically looks for the incoming and outgoing mail server information, based on the domain information after the @ sign.

For a Gmail account, it indicated the servers were imap.googlemail.com and smtp.googlemail.com, when they should have been imap.gmail.com and smtp.gmail.com.

Google's servers work for both xxxx.gmail.com and xxxx.googlemail.com. It makes no difference.

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[Fulvio]

Hi Fulvio-

I have not been "around" SillyDog for a while, incredibly busy with a new i7 and with my ScienceSprings blog (which I wish you would check out, after all, you are a scientist).

>>RSM

Richard,
in first place Happy Holidays, past and future, to you. I will take a look at your blog. You will not be surprised that eight years after retirement, everything seems to have been a dream.
As for TB3.1.6, it is the biggest nuisance of any programs which I have had.
It is hard to set up, and it is slow, in comparison to 2.0.0.24. For instance, I can delete mail, or move it to predetermined folders with 2.0.0.24. 3.1.6 is still downloading mail. I don't have the patience for it, since I check mail once a day, and don't keep any of these programs open, ore than necessary.

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[richard mitnick]

So, Fulvio, just to be clear, what email program are you currently using?

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