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Unable to install Linux

Postby smileyme » Sun 10 Aug, 2003 12:48 pm

Hi,

I'm new to Windows, Linux, and PCs in general.

I acquired a 1 GHz Pentium III PC with problems; was unable to install any OS. Through some BIOS changes, I got Windows 2k Pro installed, and things have been rock solid; leading me to believe the problems aren't hardware related.

The drive is partitioned into two 15 GB fat 32 partitions. Through various attempts to install linux on the second partition, I have it sub-divided into 3 partitions, as set by Mandrake 9.1.

However, I have not been able to get Linux installed. Mandrake 9.1 & 9.2, Gentoo 1.4, or Debian.

Is there BIOS settings that need to be adjusted, or should the default work.

Really don't want to be stuck with Windows here,

Rick : )
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Postby DJGM » Sun 10 Aug, 2003 1:43 pm

You cannot install Linux on a FAT32 partition. If you want to install Linux alongside Windows, first
of all, divide up your HDD into the desired number of partitions, and install your copy of Windows
on the first partition. When you come to install Linux, make you have a partition of around 4GB
or more, preferably on the end of your HDD, but don't format it with any filesystem.

Leave this unformatted partition as empty unallocated diskspace. The Linux installation program
should automatically detect the unallocated HDD space. If you accept the default partitioning
allocation settings on the Linux installer, it will automatically create Linux partitions, within
the empty space, format them, and install the default Linux filesystem.

You can then move on to the package selection stage, where you can choose from the many
hundreds of different packages available with your chosen Linux distribution. As this is your
very first time with Linux, then as before, just accept the default preset package selection.
It should provide you with just about all you'll need for a beginner to get the best
experience from running a Linux operating system.

You will get at least two different desktop graphical user interfaces to choose from. The two
main desktop GUI's for Linux are KDE and GNOME. Both SuSE and Mandrake use KDE as the
default GUI, but you can select to use GNOME if you prefer. Meanwhile, RedHat uses GNOME
as the default desktop interface, although you can choose to use KDE if you prefer.

I personally prefer to use KDE, as that seems to be the most Windows like in appearance.

You'll get plenty of web browsers to choose from, such as Konqueror, which is part of KDE,
and Galeon, which forms part of GNOME. Needless to say, you'll definitely also get Mozilla!

IIRC, SuSE still bundles Netscape. I least I think it does, as there's a small Netscape logo
on the back of the outer box of the SuSE 8.2 boxed distro, alongside logo for other well
known and respected companies, such as Sun Microsystems, Opera, and RealNetworks.

You'll even get two office productivity suites. There's KOffice, which is part of KDE, and
there OpenOffice, which is (almost) fully compatible with all Microsoft Office file format.
Eitherway, they're both completely free. You'd never Microsoft Office pre-installed
with a standard retail copy of Microsoft Windows, without paying at least £350!
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Postby Edward » Sun 10 Aug, 2003 3:47 pm

As a footnote, OpenOffice (which I also use under Windows), is compatible with Microsoft Office file formats.

I haven't actually used KOffice, so I can't comment on that.
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Postby smileyme » Mon 11 Aug, 2003 7:07 am

DJGM wrote:You cannot install Linux on a FAT32 partition. If you want to install Linux alongside Windows, first
of all, divide up your HDD into the desired number of partitions, and install your copy of Windows
on the first partition. When you come to install Linux, make you have a partition of around 4GB
or more, preferably on the end of your HDD, but don't format it with any filesystem.

Leave this unformatted partition as empty unallocated diskspace. The Linux installation program
should automatically detect the unallocated HDD space. If you accept the default partitioning
allocation settings on the Linux installer, it will automatically create Linux partitions, within
the empty space, format them, and install the default Linux filesystem.


Thanx for replying,

I did allow Mandrake to format and partition the space, at the end of the drive, to its default. In Windows, this is Local Disk D:, and is shown as "File system unknown" Space used 0 bytes, Free Space 0 Bytes.

The install starts out ok and detects the drive and all that, then locks up at various stages. Once, I got it all the way to actually copying files to the HDD before it ran into trouble (couldn't locate the CD ROM).

Rick : )
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Re: Unable to install Linux

Postby coffeelover » Mon 06 Oct, 2003 3:07 am

smileyme wrote:Hi,

I'm new to Windows, Linux, and PCs in general.

I acquired a 1 GHz Pentium III PC with problems; was unable to install any OS. Through some BIOS changes, I got Windows 2k Pro installed, and things have been rock solid; leading me to believe the problems aren't hardware related.

The drive is partitioned into two 15 GB fat 32 partitions. Through various attempts to install linux on the second partition, I have it sub-divided into 3 partitions, as set by Mandrake 9.1.

However, I have not been able to get Linux installed. Mandrake 9.1 & 9.2, Gentoo 1.4, or Debian.

Is there BIOS settings that need to be adjusted, or should the default work.

Really don't want to be stuck with Windows here,

Rick : )


I have used various versions of Linux (accept Gentoo and Debian) and I always recommend for the person who wants to try Linux is to get a copy of Redhat 9 or Mandrake 9.1 They are both very easy to install because both of them use a gui based installer. All you have to do is just point and click and pop the cd in and reboot. But you have to make sure that the option to boot from cd is set in your bios, and that your hard drive(s) are set to LBA. One thing though, If you have a zip disk drive I would recommend that you disconnect it before you install Linux.. Because when you get to the partitioning part (Witch is easy by the way. You will have to options, Auto and manual.) of the install, Linux might see your zip as a hard drive. And if linux cant figure out the the specs of your zip drive the setup will crash. After the install is complete than reconnect your zip drive.

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Postby hartlandcat » Mon 06 Oct, 2003 10:09 am

SuSE 8.2 doesn't come with Netscape. It comes with Konqueror, Galeon and Mozilla.
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Postby DJGM » Mon 06 Oct, 2003 10:26 am

hartlandcat wrote:SuSE 8.2 doesn't come with Netscape . . .



How come the Netscape logo is displayed on the outer box of SuSE 8.2 . . . ?
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Postby hartlandcat » Mon 06 Oct, 2003 10:31 am

No idea, but I have SuSE Linux 8.2 Proffesional, and Netscape was not included. Maybe it's included in the Personal edition.
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Postby swirven » Tue 07 Oct, 2003 6:16 am

I am using Suse 8.2 personal and Netscape is on there. The only thing about it is you have to search for it in YAST, it does not install by default. Even if you go through during installation and select a lot of package groups it still does not install. Here is the real kicker, after all this it is Netscape 4.78, I installed it just for the heck of it. It is pretty ugly and almost useless in my opinion. The new SUSE 9.0 has the feature to install alongside any windows os. It ships on Oct. 15.

EDIT by DJGM:
Correction - SuSE Linux 9.0 will become officially available on 24th October 2003.
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Postby Edward » Sat 11 Oct, 2003 5:58 pm

SuSE Linux 9.0 will come with two kernels: 2.4.21 and a 2.6 test. I read that the 2.6 kernel will not work with all hardware.

I hope that the 2.6 kernel will be tweaked in some form that will make it run on most hardware. I put back together a Pentium/MMX system to run Linux on it, and I don't want to be stuck with something I can't use if 2.6 eventually will not run on an original Pentium.
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