SillyDog701

[Fulvio]

James,
I knew the part up to Paint, but I don't upload anywhere, and, besides, I think I gave a good description, which requires much less effort from the user, than for me to place a screen shot.
What is this? Would you not consider it a bookmark? It is of ISP.
I will attempt to summarize. After installing the Prefbar, which must compatible with your version, and left click on Customize, you will get a popup called Preference Toolbar, and you will see you will see a bunch of items. Even spacer will do. Right click on it, and you will see a menu, in the middle of which there is New. Left click on that, and you will see an adjacent menu, and left click on link, and you will get another popup.
You enter the URL in the url line, and a name of your choice. I believe that the actual fills itself, but it is grayed out. There is a venue in Ann Arbor, MI, where I lived for several years, called AcousticCafe, but it is called MLive (M stands for Michigan) in the ID line. I filled in the label, and, I click on that to get what would be called bookmark in the Bookmarks Toolbar (where I keep my folders), i.e. the toolbar below the Navigation (URL) Toolbar.
I think that you should be able to figure out what I mean. To convey what I said in a screen shot, it would take as many as three shot, and, unless you just want to see what I said, and not do anything, it is a waste of time.

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[Amrad]

Hello Fulvio,

I am not sure what would be the benefit of a screen shot.

It would let us see exactly to what you are referring as the Preferences Toolbar! In SeaMonkey 2.2, there is no toolbar officially named Preferences.

Type about:addons in your URL bar and see what it shows, this is what I get:



If you do not see PrefBar in the list of Addons, then you do not have it installed on your computer! So whatever toolbar to which you are referring as PrefBar, it is not to what I was referring as PrefBar!

In the above screen capture, PrefBar is the toolbar immediately above the Tab Bar, the one above that is what used to be called the Personal Toolbar but is now called the Bookmarks Toolbar, the one above that is the Navigation Toolbar and the one above that (the top one) is the Menu Toolbar. If I did not have PrefBar 5.1.1 installed, there would not be a Preferences Toolbar because it is an addon, not part of SeaMonkey!

Regards,

Dave.

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[James]

Good stuff, Dave. So tell me: why do you use the Prefbar in this day and age of browsers? It seems like a relic from the past... something that would be relatively useless in that most of what it is set up to do can be done with less intrusive apps or am I wrong? Just why use the Prefbar and add yet another tool bar to your monitor screen further taking away valuable screen space? Just curious.

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[Amrad]

Hello James,

Good stuff, Dave.

Thanks! I think Fulvio is calling one of SeaMonkey's 'built-in' toolbars a 'preferences' toolbar, when such a toolbar doesn't exist! What I think he doesn't mean is the PrefBar addon. We'll find out when he replies.

So tell me: why do you use the Prefbar in this day and age of browsers? It seems like a relic from the past... something that would be relatively useless in that most of what it is set up to do can be done with less intrusive apps or am I wrong? Just why use the Prefbar and add yet another tool bar to your monitor screen further taking away valuable screen space? Just curious.

I'm not too bothered about taking up screen space, I can, after all, collapse all the toolbars if I need the extra space! There are things I can do with a single mouse-click on the PrefBar, which would otherwise take more than one to accomplish. When I started using PrefBar, there wasn't, IIRC, a means of opening a new blank tab with a single click but I can do that with PrefBar, although there is now that option in SeaMonkey.

I'm not aware of any other apps that can do less intrusively what PrefBar does. One of the most useful options in PrefBar is 'Restore Tab', which I use a lot!

Regards,

Dave.

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[James]

Thanks for the explanation, Dave. Kill flash can be done with an add-on from Firefox (and probably SeaMonkey). Not sure about Java but NoScript is an add-on as well. I can see how collapsing the tool bars would work well in SeaMonkey although that would not be an option for FF users like me. I was simply curious about its continued uses. I agree with your analysis about Fulvio's referring to one of SM's built-in tool bars as a Prefbar but then again... I could be wrong.

I'm curious. Do you also run Firefox and have you made a comparison between FF and SM. I realize that SM is a suite and therefore one would need to add TB to FF in order to get the e-mail functionality as well. But browser for browser... have you compared the two side by side? Again... I'm a curious guy and wonder about these things. Currently I carry IE9 (pretty much required), Chrome (which I like a great deal) and FF version 6 which is my default. I haven't really messed with a suite on a regular basis since I uninstalled Opera. The last Mozilla-type suite to be of regular use for me was Netscape 9.

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[Amrad]

Hello James,

Thanks for the explanation, Dave.

You're welcome.

Kill flash can be done with an add-on from Firefox (and probably SeaMonkey). Not sure about Java but NoScript is an add-on as well.

I've heard of NoScript but not tried it. Would it be possible to kill flash with one click using it? If not, than PrefBar wins from that point of view!

I agree with your analysis about Fulvio's referring to one of SM's built-in tool bars as a Prefbar but then again... I could be wrong.

No doubt we'll find out when he replies!

I'm curious. Do you also run Firefox and have you made a comparison between FF and SM.

No, I don't run Firefox. I tried it many years ago, but didn't care much for it. I preferred the Mozilla Suite that I was using at the time so I haven't bothered with Fx since - and, from what I've been reading about it, I don't think I would like it any better now!

But browser for browser... have you compared the two side by side? Again... I'm a curious guy and wonder about these things.

No, I haven't compared Fx and SM side by side but see my comments above.

Currently I carry IE9 (pretty much required),...

I hardly ever use IE, usually only if I want to see if a web page displays the same or differently than in SM.

...Chrome (which I like a great deal)...

I haven't tried any chrome browser, I'm happy with SM so don't see the need. If I did use chrome, I would still need an email client, so that's another reason for not bothering.

...and FF version 6 which is my default. I haven't really messed with a suite on a regular basis since I uninstalled Opera.

I played around with Opera a bit a while ago on a friends laptop, which I was using to check out something for him, I can't remember which version it was but I wasn't particularly impressed.

The last Mozilla-type suite to be of regular use for me was Netscape 9.

I ditched Netscape after trying v6, which was a disaster, and switched to the Mozilla Suite instead! I think I started with Nescape 4.x.

Regards,

Dave.

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[James]

I've heard of NoScript but not tried it. Would it be possible to kill flash with one click using it? If not, than PrefBar wins from that point of view!

Actually, I misspoke myself. It is Flashblock that will kill flash ads on a page. You can customize it to do it once or for good. You can read about it here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefo ... lashblock/

As for an e-mail client, I use Windows Live Mail which allows me to integrate all of my webmail and pop mail accounts into one place. This means that when I open Win Live Mail, I see my ISP's mail account, my Gmail, my Hotmail and my Yahoo Mail (if I have the Yahoo Prime which currently I do not). Each mail account syncs and downloads whatever mail has arrived from that account meaning that I don't need to go to these sites on the web. It's really very efficient and I love that I can customize these accounts.

Hey... we're all different with different priorities.

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[Fulvio]

Seamonkey, as well as Firefox, up to v.6b3 handle the Prefbar very nicely. This is the basic site. I thought that my description would suffice, but since I cannot find an adequate number of screen shots, I am giving up. The only purpose for my Prefbar is to add extra bookmarks/links. And, I ditched the Prefbar, as a toolbar, for the much more economical button in the Menu toolbar. I have a nice big PB, which does not wasted space. refer to "Showing PrefBar contents as menu button" in the Prefbar help.
As for my mail, I have given up on Hotmail long ago, and never tried Gmail. But, I can get AOL and Yahoo (the free kind) with no problem, mostly as IMAP accounts.

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[Amrad]

Hello Fulvio,

I thought that my description would suffice, but since I cannot find an adequate number of screen shots, I am giving up.

I had, somehow, missed seeing one of your posts, having now read that, I can now see how you were adding a Bookmark to PrefBar. I had not previously right-clicked on any of the items under 'Preferences Toolbar' so was not aware that it is possible to add a link to PrefBar. Now that I have done that, it is clear how to add a bookmark (which is just a 'link' anyway!) to PrefBar!

My apologies for any inconvenience to which I may have put you.

Regards,

Dave.

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[James]

Well... let me join you in that I also somehow missed that little nugget of information. So a link (bookmark) "can" be added to the Prefbar. Very interesting. Apologies, Fulvio, for not reading your posts carefully enough.

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