David Wonn wrote:. . . Many of today's browsers allow for very sloppy code . . .
DJGM wrote:No, I disagree. Out of all the current browsers available today, only IE (and "wraparounds" that are based
upon it) allow for sloppy code. All the Mozilla based browsers, and Opera are much less forgiving towards
poorly written webpages due to their high level of compliance to recommended web standards.
I'll cite some examples of where even Mozilla-based browsers allow sloppy coding (thanks to the "quirks" mode, enabled by default.) At work, they update procedures in Word and then use that to convert to html. Yes, I know Word is the absolute worst excuse for an html editor and I have tried to fight management to get this through their heads, but to no avail. Anyway, Word has this nasty habit of converting image path references with backslashes instead of forward slashes. Netscape Communicator (correctly) complains and shows broken images. With IE and many Mozilla-based browsers, they allow for this incorrect code.
Also, Netscape Communicator correctly complains about URLs with embedded spaces. Most Mozilla-based browsers, IE, and even Lynx(!) seem to do their own things, ranging from conversions to %20s or underscores to simply stripping the spaces. Spaces should never be allowed in URLs without proper escape sequences.
DJGM wrote:Netscape 4.x barely complies to any of the current W3C recommended web standards, which makes it as
good as useless for a growing number of current webpages. In 2004, anyone who is serious about web
development, should not be using Netscape 4.x as their primary webpage testing environment, and
should definitely not be using it as their primary web development tool.
While it is certainly true that Communicator has its limitations, the vast majority of the newer techniques can be translated into code that Communicator can handle. Seriously. As long as I still get hits from older browsers, I don't want to shut anyone out. Heck, I get hits from handheld devices, including phones! I care about my audience. Obviously I don't expect everyone to test with archaic browsers, such as Mosaic or Cello, but I do try my best to ensure that everyone can at least view the content. Anyway, I don't use Communicator as my primary tool; I simply tend to check with it first.
DJGM wrote:Netscape 4.x is a dead browser. It's extinct. It is completely and utterly obsolete. Hardly anyone uses it
nowadays, so what's the point in keeping it installed? Aside from tech-nostalgia, no point whatsoever.
Call it dead or whatever you want, but there are situations when you have little or no choice on which browser you can use. At work, it's IE or Communicator. I'll use NCSA Mosaic before I ever touch IE, so the choice is a no-brainer for me.
David Wonn wrote:I used Netscape 3 and 4 exclusively 7 years ago.
DJGM wrote:And that's exactly when Netscape 4.x was still a decent browser!
So true, it was dominant at one point in time. But as long as it works on even one site, I'm not just throwing it away. It never hurts to have multiple browsers (other than hard drive space, which isn't as much an issue anymore.)
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