SillyDog701

[pbooth]

I have changed the font on my web page from the default Times New Roman to Ariel using the General Preferences| Font tab (as explained in the Handbook embedded with the application). However after I upload the revised web page using my FTP software, the page still shows the old Times New Roman font. Can anyone tell me the proper steps to changing the font please.

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[Andrew T.]

Would you mind clarifying what version of Netscape you are creating your web page with?

The "Netscape Navigator Gold" name was last used for version 3.04 in 1997. If you are using this software to create web pages, you should be aware that it is extremely outdated and limited in what it offers, except perhaps for creating the simplest web pages.

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[Don_HH2K]

If you are indeed using Netscape 3.0x, there is a perfect explanation as to why the fonts wouldn't be showing up correctly. Netscape 3.0x's HTML editor wrote pages in HTML 3.2. HTML 3.2 does not officially have the FACE element defined in the FONT tag, so browsers that attempt to render the page as standard HTML 3.2 will disregard the FACE attribute. This is a problem with the HTML 3.2 syntax itself, not with Netscape.

To get the effect, I would suggest you either upgrade to some better HTML editor than that of Netscape 3, or use a CSS stylesheet to get the desired effect. In CSS, the equivelant of [tt]<font face="helvetica">[/tt] is [tt]body {font-family: helvetica;}[/tt]. The nice thing about CSS is that you can substitute the BODY element for whatever element you want, so you could choose to only have an H* element (or any other element) use the formatting, instead of the entire document.

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[pbooth]

Thanks for the reply concerning changing fonts in Navigator Gold (you know who you are). Yes it is a very old program. Someone told me you can download Netscape Composer for free but I couldn't find a site where you can do that. When I went to netscape.com, all I could find was the latest Netscape browser software rather than the web authoring software. Anyone know where I can find the free Composer download?

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[Andrew T.]

Thanks for the reply concerning changing fonts in Navigator Gold (you know who you are). Yes it is a very old program. Someone told me you can download Netscape Composer for free but I couldn't find a site where you can do that. When I went to netscape.com, all I could find was the latest Netscape browser software rather than the web authoring software. Anyone know where I can find the free Composer download?

Unless you deselected the option during installation, Netscape 7.1 (which you appear to be using) has Composer built in.

Try [tt]Window[/tt] > [tt]Composer[/tt].

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[pbooth]

Well what d'ya know - you're right! It was right under my nose along. Many thanks.

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[David Wonn]

I have changed the font on my web page from the default Times New Roman to Ariel using the General Preferences| Font tab (as explained in the Handbook embedded with the application). However after I upload the revised web page using my FTP software, the page still shows the old Times New Roman font. Can anyone tell me the proper steps to changing the font please.

I think I know what is happening here. By doing the steps in your post, you are only changing the way things look locally in doing this. Every site that you view in your current browser [Navigator Gold] will use these settings in place of what the site online specifies. In Netscape 7, you will want to make the changes from within Composer, but NOT from Edit - Preferences, unless of course you prefer overriding the fonts of all sites you visit. There's nothing wrong in doing that. Heck, I disable CSS for a lot of sites myself, as I dislike heavy use of small fonts.

If you are indeed using Netscape 3.0x, there is a perfect explanation as to why the fonts wouldn't be showing up correctly. Netscape 3.0x's HTML editor wrote pages in HTML 3.2. HTML 3.2 does not officially have the FACE element defined in the FONT tag, so browsers that attempt to render the page as standard HTML 3.2 will disregard the FACE attribute. This is a problem with the HTML 3.2 syntax itself, not with Netscape.

Actually, Netscape Navigator Gold does render the FACE attribute. I can currently see the Arial font in the disclaimer at the bottom of this page in Navigator Gold. The trouble is that Navigator Gold's HTML editor has no easy way of setting different fonts inside the GUI (other than font colors, sizes, and one fixed width font via the TT tags.)

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[Don_HH2K]

If you are indeed using Netscape 3.0x, there is a perfect explanation as to why the fonts wouldn't be showing up correctly. Netscape 3.0x's HTML editor wrote pages in HTML 3.2. HTML 3.2 does not officially have the FACE element defined in the FONT tag, so browsers that attempt to render the page as standard HTML 3.2 will disregard the FACE attribute. This is a problem with the HTML 3.2 syntax itself, not with Netscape.

Actually, Netscape Navigator Gold does render the FACE attribute. I can currently see the Arial font in the disclaimer at the bottom of this page in Navigator Gold. The trouble is that Navigator Gold's HTML editor has no easy way of setting different fonts inside the GUI (other than font colors, sizes, and one fixed width font via the TT tags.)

While that may be true, that's why I made reference to some standards-compliant HTML 3.2 browsers: because the HTML 3.2 spec doesn't cover a FACE element. Since Netscape at the time had a lot of proprietary tags, attributes, and such, they may have included the FACE attribute in with the FONT tag. At least, according to the official W3C HTML 3.2 Reference Specification, there is no FACE attribute. See the following quote from the spec:

Some user agents also support a [tt]FACE[/tt] attribute which accepts a comma separated list of font names in order of preference. This is used to search for an installed font with the corresponding name. [tt]FACE[/tt] is not part of HTML 3.2.

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