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Postby Edward » Sat 26 Jun, 2004 6:48 am

Greg,

I ran your sound card through the SuSE database, and it came up as unknown, but on the actual information page, it displayed full support.

By comparison, my model SB0100 Live 5.1 card was listed as having partial support in 9.1, but the card worked perfectly.

(I'm not sure how reliable the database information is.)

At this point, I would suggest downgrading to 9.0, but you would have to do a clean install including repartioning, as downgrading from 9.1 to 9.0 without doing this resulted in dependency errors.
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Postby DJGM » Sat 26 Jun, 2004 12:34 pm

Dependency errors (shudder) . . . I've seen enough of those bloody things to last a lifetime . . . !

As per the previous suggestion from earlier on, I've installed SUSE 9.0, then attempted to use
the System Update feature in the YaST2 program so I could upgrade it to SUSE Linux 9.1. It
seemed to work, despite it throwing up a countless number of dependency complaints.

But I eventually managed to update it to SUSE Linux 9.1 . . . or at least that's what I thought.

After rebooting the PC, it turns out that X11 had not been properly installed, and now I'm left
with running SUSE 9.1 by command line, with no graphical interface whatsoever. Essentially,
it's left me with a totally broken Linux installation. Of course, if I was a Linux purist, I'd be
happy to settle with using the command line. But, I'm not a purist. If I'd have wanted to
be left with a text based OS, I might as well just install MS-DOS, and have done with it!
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Postby DJGM » Tue 29 Jun, 2004 12:47 pm

Today, I took delivery of SUSE Linux 9.1 Professional on DVD, from a private seller on eBay, As far
as I was concerned, SUSE was now drinking in the Last Chance Saloon v3.0 Open Source Edition!

I put the disc into my DVD-ROM drive, and rebooted the PC. The SUSE boot logo appeared, but
in pleasant shades of blue, rather than the lurid shades of green that I'd grown accustomed
to over the last week or so while trying to get the damn thing to work!

As expected (or rather as hoped) the dialog box prompting me to choose the installation type
appeared on screen. I selected the "Update an installed system" option. It went on to display
the pre-installation summary, and the first oops, claiming it could not find any packages to
update on the DVD, citing a possible "media error". It was at this point in the proceedings
that I started to utter some rather strong language that I won't be repeating here!

Anyway, I had to be somewhere else in abot half an hour, so I shutdown the system and left
it at that for the time being. I decided I'd try and work out this problem, when I return home.


Later on, I gave it another go. I put the disc in the DVD drive again, shutdown Windows 2000,
and rebooted. Again the aforementioned installation type dialog appeared. Again I choose
to update the installed system. This time, the pre-installation summary was displayed,
without the odd "media error" from earlier. And, no other errors showed up. "Could
this be a turning point?" I asked myself. I then realised that talking to oneself could
be classed as a sign of insanity, so I decided to shut up!

After accepting the default options from the next screen, the big green final confirmation
box appeared, that gives one last chance to commit to the installation, or turn back and
make any last minutes changes. I clicked on the button labelled "Yes, update", and then
waited for the automated process to take over. What surprised me was that it said it'd
only need to install about 175MB worth of packages. In all, the automated process
took about ten minutes, before it prompted me to reboot the system.

After the reboot, there was just the last step of the process of YaST checking for an
internet connection, and being prompted to download the latest updates. At this
point, I let it check for internet connectivity, by opted to postpone the online
update for later on this evening. I just wanted to find out if I now had a fully
operational SUSE Linux system installed.

I logged into KDE3.2, waited for the splash screen to go through it's startup process.
BUT, it was silent. (Oh ****!) The familar KDE startup sound did not play. (Oh ****!)

I then went straight to where all my MP3's are stored on my Windows 98 partition.
Clicked on one at random, XMMS opened, and statred to play - in total silence!
(XMMS is an open source clone of Winamp 2.x made for Linux and UNIX)

Another stream of strong language later, I right clicked on the MP3 file, and opted
to play it one of the other media players. I opted to use Kaffeine Media Player.
(After all this messing around, I certainly needed something with caffeine in!)
This particular app, at first glance, looks very similar to the older versions
of Windows Media Player that were bundled with Windows 95/98/2000.

The song played . . . in full stereo sound! Hurrah!

So it seems that XMMS is at fault, and not some strange incompatibility between
my CreativeLabs SoundBlaster PCI 128 sound card and the operating system.

Eitherway, I finally have the latest version of SUSE Linux up and running on
my PC, and my faith in this Deutschland based Linux distributor is restored!



ImageSuccess at last . . . !Image



Now, if you'll excuse, I'm off to download the latest version of Mozilla . . . !
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Postby Phoenix21692 » Tue 29 Jun, 2004 1:17 pm

You must have had a stroke of luck there. Speaking of XMMS, there may be a way to resolve it. The situation is that XMMS uses a different sound device than Kaffeine does. XMMS needs the ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) sound device in order for it to work. The startup sounds depend on this too. Kaffeine as well as other various multimedia can use any of the other generic sound devices. You don't need ALSA in order for Kaffeine to work. So, without ALSA, you can get Kaffeine to work, but not XMMS and the startup sounds. Odd, isn't it? I had the same problem as you when I switched to a non-ALSA driver. When I switched back, XMMS worked and started sounds worked. So, what you could is to use YaST, go to Hardware, and check which device the Sound hardware is using. If I can recall, I had devices like ALSA, i810, alixxx, etc. I don't remember, but I had something like that. If you can, try changing the device/driver to ALSA and see if it works. (It may or may not work. So, it's worth a try. :))

I hope this helps.
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Postby Edward » Wed 30 Jun, 2004 5:07 pm

The musical tune at the startup of KDE (in SuSE 8.2 and 9.0) is not present in 9.1. The only musical tune I heard in 9.1 was at logoff.
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Postby Phoenix21692 » Wed 30 Jun, 2004 6:37 pm

Ed, do you know if XMMS worked when you used SUSE Linux 9.1?
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Postby DJGM » Wed 30 Jun, 2004 8:13 pm

I've switched the sound driver to ALSA, and XMMS is now in a full working order. No startup sound though.

Now what I'd like to be able to do, is change the green SUSE logo on the K button to something else . . .


EDIT:
I was hoping I could a way of getting CrossOver or Wine to install the Windows version of iTunes, but it
seems there's already a media jukebox app similar to iTunes installed, curiously called "JuK" . . . cool!
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Postby DJGM » Wed 30 Jun, 2004 8:50 pm

Hmmph! Spoke too soon!

Now the sound output from XMMS and JuK is all hissy and crackly . . .
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Postby Phoenix21692 » Wed 30 Jun, 2004 9:09 pm

Bummer. I had a similar problem like that on MandrakeLinux 9.2, but it usually happened when I set the equalizer in XMMS or volume on the KMix control panel too high. Try changing the settings.
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Postby DJGM » Wed 30 Jun, 2004 9:19 pm

Tried that, and . . . bah, humbug!

Still crackly, and all proper sounds are now too quiet . . . !
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Postby Edward » Thu 01 Jul, 2004 5:33 pm

Elves21692 wrote:Ed, do you know if XMMS worked when you used SUSE Linux 9.1?


I'm not sure what XMMS is (still a newbie after a year), but I had no audio problems whatsoever with 9.1.
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Postby DJGM » Thu 01 Jul, 2004 6:16 pm

XMMS (X Multimedia System) is effectively a Linux/Unix clone of Winamp 2.x.

More info at - http://xmms.org/
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Postby Edward » Thu 01 Jul, 2004 6:21 pm

Thanks for the link.

Now that I saw that, yes, I did use XMMS a few times in 9.1. I did not have any issues with that either.

It was printing that caused me to downgrade to 9.0. I hope there will be a fix of some kind released for it, since printing issues have also affected users of Fedora 2 and Mandrake 10, although with different printers.
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Postby DJGM » Fri 02 Jul, 2004 5:50 pm

More about my SuSE 9.1 sound problem . . .

On closer inspection, the crackly sound problem seems to consist of a "static" like sound you'd
normally only get from a standard analog radio when a station has not been tuned in correctly.
This "static" effect only seems to be mostly apparent when no music output is being played
through any of the multimedia software currently installed. This includes some multimedia
apps made for Windows, that are running with the help of CodeWeavers CrossOver.
What's more the "static" does not come through the left audio channel, so the
crackly sound only comes through the speaker on the right.

Funnily enough, when I installed KDE 3.2 onto SUSE Linux 9.0, over the existing installation
of KDE 3.1.4, a couple of months ago, I got the exact same sound problems as I've just
described, only much much worse! I'm wondering if KDE could be the culprit here?

Unfortunately, since I went for a basic installation of SUSE Linux this time around, no other
desktops were installed aside from KDE, so I can't check if the "static" sound problem is
also apparent in GNOME unless I go download and install it myself . . .
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Postby Edward » Fri 02 Jul, 2004 6:29 pm

This is increasingly sounding like the audio problem I had in XP Home until I changed the Start menu to the old-style. Could something in 9.1 Professional be causing a drain on your system resources?

If 9.1 Personal does not, then something in Professional might be the culprit.
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