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Firefox on Windows 95 . . .

Postby DJGM » Sun 17 Oct, 2004 9:43 am

I've installed Windows 95 OSR2 into Virtual PC. The only browser that comes with it
is IE3.0, which is quite frankly, ****! So, I want to run Firefox on it instead. But, for
some reason, every time I try to run the firefox.exe file, either directly, or via the
desktop shortcut, I keep getting the following error dialog . . .

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So . . . any ideas?
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Postby Don_HH2K » Sun 17 Oct, 2004 10:02 am

You will need to download the OLE Automation Update for Windows 95 from Microsoft's website for Firefox to work. I don'tthink Windows Update runs on Win95, so try looking at the Microsoft Download Center instead.
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Postby DJGM » Sun 17 Oct, 2004 10:31 am

Thanks for that . . . but now I get this . . .

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Postby Don_HH2K » Sun 17 Oct, 2004 10:35 am

That's another component of OLE. I'm not sure if you can download it from MS Download Center. I do know that it's included in IE5.0 and higher, so you may have to upgrade.
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Postby beanboy89 » Sun 17 Oct, 2004 10:42 am

Andrew Turnbull's Andrew Turnbull's Mozilla Network has some info about running Mozilla or Firefox on Windows 95 that may help...
Andrew Turnbull's Mozilla Network wrote:Q: Will Mozilla Firefox or Mozilla Thunderbird run on Windows 95? Are there issues involving running Mozilla products on older versions of Windows?
A: Yes, Firefox and Thunderbird will run on Windows 95, under the condition that you have appropriate system files installed. All Mozilla products (including Mozilla application suite, Firefox, and Thunderbird) since Mozilla 1.4 require version 2.30.4265 or greater of the system file OLEAUT32.DLL to run. When I ran Mozilla Firefox 0.9 on a system with the very first version of Windows 95 installed, I also had to upgrade or add other files as well such as OLE32.DLL, OLEAUT32.DLL, SHLWAPI.DLL, and URLMON.DLL. If you heed this information and apply the Windows Library Update (that contains an updated OLEAUT32.DLL) and all other applicable library updates beforehand, you should hopefully have a minimum of problems in installing and running Mozilla, Mozilla Firefox, or Mozilla Thunderbird on Windows 95 or other older Windows versions (specifically 98 original release, NT 3.51, and NT 4.0).
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Postby DJGM » Sun 17 Oct, 2004 10:42 am

How that for irony? Having to install IE5.x to get Firefox to work!

Right, I'll try that. At least I can use IERadicator to remove IE later!
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Postby DJGM » Sun 17 Oct, 2004 10:54 am

OK, so I won't have to visit browsers.evolt.org to get IE5.5 after all . . . !


EDIT:
I've just applied the relevant system files update, and I'm still getting that second error dialog!
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Postby Don_HH2K » Sun 17 Oct, 2004 1:12 pm

Well, URLMON.DLL is available for download here. I would reccomend that you scan it for viruses and spyware first, then load it into Windows 95 under VirtualPC.
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Postby Andrew T. » Sun 17 Oct, 2004 1:48 pm

I'm not sure if I would trust what's available for download on "dll-files.com." When I was devising ways to get Mozilla Firefox 0.9 RC to run on Windows 95 a while back, the version of the file available from the site turned out to be one from a foreign-language version of Windows 2000, and did not work.
I was successful in using versions of URLMON.DLL and SHLWAPI.DLL copied from a system with Windows 98 and Internet Explorer 6 installed.
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Postby DJGM » Sun 17 Oct, 2004 1:58 pm

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Should I give up now, or should I carry on regardless . . . ?!?
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Postby beanboy89 » Sun 17 Oct, 2004 2:15 pm

DJGM wrote:Should I give up now, or should I carry on regardless . . . ?!?


DJGM, what Firefox version are you tring to run? Maybe an older version such as Firefox 0.8 or Firebird 0.7 may work.
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Postby DJGM » Sun 17 Oct, 2004 2:24 pm

I'm attempting (with no luck so far) to run Firefox 0.10.1 aka the latest 1.0PR.

For what it's worth I'll try copying those two system files from Windows 98SE . . .
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Postby DJGM » Sun 17 Oct, 2004 4:06 pm

Success at last . . .

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. . . and about bl**dy time too!
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Postby David Wonn » Sun 17 Oct, 2004 4:22 pm

Does anyone know if it is possible to get Firefox working on 95 OSR2 by simply copying the necessary dlls into Firefox's folder instead of overwriting existing dlls in the Windows\System folder? I ask this because I refuse to install any dlls from IE4 or higher in my System folder due to an extreme hatred of all versions of IE since 4.0. Thanks in advance if anyone has successfully tried this.
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Postby Andrew T. » Sun 17 Oct, 2004 4:32 pm

Congratulations, DJGM!

Perhaps it's just as well that Mozilla.org's "official" system requirements for Firefox omit Windows 95, considering that it requires a convoluted assortment of system files to run that may not necessarily be present on a typical Windows 95 installation, and gives headaches if you don't have them! But it certainly can run under the right circumstances.
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