SillyDog701

[Fulvio]

Screenshot on WinXP that is over 550px wide
Even bigger screenshot under CrossOver Office

As you can see, adbar still looks like it belongs there

This is a funny one, i.e. the adbar part. But, having mostly empty space, one may want to fill. But, I have it already filled with links to almost everything. (the external applications extention running amok.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217

[Alice]

Bookmarks toolbar items still missing every time I start the browser requiring toggling the window size to restore. A real pain.

"Clear cache on browser exit" is a new option (Tools > Options > Privacy > Cache).

I also noticed a preference browsing about:config that seems rather ominous:
browser.datatracking.guid (user set)
followed by a very long alphanumeric string value. I reset it which wiped the number... then restarted the browser, and a brand new data tracking number appeared. What's the deal with that, anyone?

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050217 Firefox/0.9.4

[Antony]

As you can see, adbar still looks like it belongs there

Interesting. That adbar is installed by someone who tends to remove every single ads.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/125.5.6 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/125.12

[Alice]

When installing, it displays a blank EULA, so does that mean I'm not bound by one?

I saw the EULA when I installed and saved a copy:

[tt] Netscape Browser Beta Testing Agreement

Thank you for your interest in testing this beta version of the Netscape browser. AOL Instant Messenger (“AIMâ€

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050217 Firefox/0.9.4

[Pu7o]

i guess i'll have to update my cxoffice if i wnt to use nsb...

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050220 Gentoo/1.4 (like MSIE 6.0)

[Antony]

When installing, it displays a blank EULA, so does that mean I'm not bound by one?

So you also managed to bypass that EULA?

If I remember correctly it's an offence to remove any official notice/warning/signs without authorisation.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/125.5.6 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/125.12

[Hendikins]

When installing, it displays a blank EULA, so does that mean I'm not bound by one?

So you also managed to bypass that EULA?

Nope. Due to a Wine bug, it simply wasn't displayed. I made no attempt to bypass it.

Interesting. That adbar is installed by someone who tends to remove every single ads.

The browser is already so full of commercial garbage that it just looks as if it belongs there.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8b) Gecko/20050215

[Gregor]

One thing I noticed,
If you choose the "I trust this site" setting, the site will come up in Internet Explorer. The "I trust this site"... setting is described as "to enable maximum site functionality.

And we help to manipulate with browser statistics....

Question about Multibar: I wish to add more than one set of bookmarks, but I didn`t had any success so far. Any of you tried that?

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050217 Firefox/0.9.4

[Pu7o]

If you choose the "I trust this site" setting, the site will come up in Internet Explorer

Then I trust no site on the internet

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; appLanguage) AppleWebKit/125.5.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/125.11

[Antony]

One thing I noticed,
If you choose the "I trust this site" setting, the site will come up in Internet Explorer. The "I trust this site"... setting is described as "to enable maximum site functionality.

Please see [sdp=52962]my post[/sdp] on page 3 of this thread.
and the screenshot I included on the same post,


And,

[sdp=52966]IE is not the default rendering engine. It was only preset as the default rendering engine for the few trusted sites there are. If you don't like IE being the engine for the Trusted Sites setting, you can easily change it.[/sdp]

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/125.5.6 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/125.12

[Alice]

One thing I noticed,
If you choose the "I trust this site" setting, the site will come up in Internet Explorer. The "I trust this site"... setting is described as "to enable maximum site functionality.

Please see [sdp=52962]my post[/sdp] on page 3 of this thread

The default setting for rendering trusted sites is set to Internet Explorer.

I wonder what is Netscape doing...

What Netscape is doing, without saying so in so many words (in my opinion):
1. ASSUMING that people prefer using Internet Explorer to render pages, since it will "enable maximum site functionality"
2. ASSUMING what people mean when they say, "I trust this site" is, that this site is OK to display in Internet Explorer because it doesn't contain anything harmful. This is COMPLETELY ignoring the possibility that some users PREFER using Netscape, even for trusted sites! The "I trust this site" setting is therefore misleading.
3. The "I'm not sure" setting, in which you want to "balance functionality and security ".. (you're not sure if you trust the site.... the site MAY contain harmful content) PROPERLY displays the page like Netscape, which is a SAFER, more Secure browser. However, that IMPLIES that functionality will suffer when Netscape page-rendering is used.

By the way, here is what I wrote earlier, in context
....Antony, you get the credit for first mentioning the part highlighted in red

One thing I noticed,
If you choose the "I trust this site" setting, the site will come up in Internet Explorer. The "I trust this site"... setting is described as "to enable maximum site functionality. If you use "I'm not sure" or "I don't trust this site" setting, then the site will display in Netscape . That makes perfect sense, because Netscape rendering is more secure than IE, and only sites that you trust should ever be opened in Internet Explorer.

Sites which haven't been "verified" by Netscape's "security partners" (the shield icon on the tab will be in yellow) such as sillydog.org, will come up by default with Netscape's rendering engine, which is very good!

However, some people will click the yellow shield on the tab and then might click on "I trust this site". What will happen then, the page will be reloaded and the site is then rendered in Internet Explorer. It's unfortunate that it's been set up that way, equating "I trust this site" with rendering the page in Internet Explorer, with the explanation given, "to enable maximim site functionality".

Speaking of security and privacy issues, I noticed that the Cookie EXCEPTIONS (Cookies Sites tab in Moz/NS7.xx) button is GONE from the Privacy > Cookies options. Was it also gone from Prototype v2? I don't remember. The Site Controls method of blocking cookies doesn't cut it for me, since it doesn't let you selectively block domains such as doubleclick.net, fastclick.net, hitbox, atdmt etc. Your only option is to block all third-party cookies from controlled sites (unless I'm missing something).

I'm not happy with this new Netscape browser at all.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050217 Firefox/0.9.4

[Alice]

But, I figured out how to remove the Search item, and, that makes me feel good.

This is taken from someone else's post at thre Message Board, and, it involves editing the localstore.rdf file. This part:
<RDF:Description RDF:about="chrome://browser/content/browser.xul#nav-bar"
currentset="back-button,forward-button,stop-reload-button,home-button, etc.
/>

It is a long one, but there should be a "search-container" part of the line. If you remove only that part, save and then reopen the browser, you, finally, get a reasonable size for the URL bar.

Here's the post, for the record, from community.netscape.com
Netscape Browser Review, General forum, "personal toolbar" topic:
Posted Feb-18 8:13 PM From suckerformoz [Msg # 383.15 383.14 ]

hey I figured out how to remove the search box, just be careful and backup the file before you change it.

1. exit netscape completely

2. go to your netscape profile folder, e.g. C:\Documents and Settings\yourusername\Application Data\Netscape\NSAE\Profiles\randomgibberish.default

3. make a backup copy of localstore.rdf

4. open up localstore.rdf in notepad and edit/find: search-container

in mine it was
currentset="back-button,forward-button,stop-reload-button,home-button,urlbar-container,search-container"

I changed it to
currentset="back-button,forward-button,stop-reload-button,home-button,urlbar-container"

saved it, started up netscape and voila no more search bar.

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Also a similar trick can be used on C:\Program Files\Netscape\Netscape Browser\defaults\sitecontrols\sitecontrols_defaults.rdf to clean up the built-in site list, just make sure you leave the "Master settings" zones alone.

Finally, the idle CPU usage is pretty high if you leave the default tickers/live bookmarks running on the toolbar. remove them off the toolbar/multibars completely cause they take up CPU usage even if they aren't visible.

I submitted a few more bugs via the bug form but I thought the above workarounds might be useful for everyone to see.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217

[James]

Any word when the "official.. public" release will be made available?

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0

[Pu7o]

supposedly it's at the end of the month

UserAgent: Kidzilla/0.1 (Linux x86; Firefox 1.1 CVS) (Gecko, like MSIE 6.0)

[Antony]

What Netscape is doing, without saying so in so many words (in my opinion):
1. ASSUMING that people prefer using Internet Explorer to render pages, since it will "enable maximum site functionality"

Because the fact that Microsoft Internet Explorer is still the most popular browser, and hence, logically, most websites enhanced their websites for MSIE first before spending time to take the advantage of other browsers.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/125.5.6 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/125.12