Donzilla 0.8 PR available for testing

[Antony]

ASCII conversion isn't the problem, because I can download it fine, and apparently a few others can too.

No, but not good, as it shouldn't be.

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[Don_HH2K]

ASCII conversion isn't the problem, because I can download it fine, and apparently a few others can too.

No, but not good, as it shouldn't be.

This sounds like a problem with Safari, not the server, because I can download it using Konqueror, other Gecko browsers, and MSIE.

Of course few people will probably be downloading the Windows browser to Mac without using VPC (unless they have no Internet connection under VPC), so I'm in no hurry to fix this.

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[DJGM]

As for the issue of getting an Apple Mac to be able to create a Mac OS X compatible version of Donzilla . . .

Although buying an Apple Mac can be quite expensive if you're getting one brand new, you really
needn't go to all that expense to get a completely brand new Mac. A decent second user Mac
can be acquired via eBay for a fraction of the price of a brand new one.

And it's quite likely you'll soon find one that's capable of running Mac OS X quite adequately,
although admittedly it won't be quite as quick as a new Mac would be! The only other cost
you're likely to incur is in the likelyhood of a RAM upgrade. But since RAM is dirt cheap
to buy these days, that isn't likely to be an expensive burden either.


And BTW . . . Mac OS X maybe a great OS . . . but it ain't a religious cult!

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[Antony]

I remember that Netscape 6.2.x Streamline for Mac was built under Windows environment. (I did not have a Mac back then.) There was no [tt]dmg[/tt] file involved then.

(Time to fix the dead link of that page.)


Antony is atheistic, but sometimes Antony worships a dish washing machine

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[Don_HH2K]

Antony,

By my guess, the reason that worked for your old Streamline builds was because those are classic builds -- by my guess they didn't need the fancy .app folder stuff like OS X does.

If I had the money for a secondhand Mac either, I'd buy it. I'm flat broke right now -- I have lots of priorities (highest of which is a new processor for this machine, the one I have in it apparently has a heating problem, goes up all the way to 186 degrees Fahrenheit during normal use...) and a Mac is pretty low on that list.

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[beanboy89]

I've downloaded and installed Donzilla 0.8 PR1 on my Windows 98 SE PC. At first I didn't think I had Windows Installer 2.0 installed, but as I downloaded it from Microsoft's site and attempted to install it, it said the service was installed. I guess I got it from Windows Update. Anyway, the install of Donzilla itself was smooth, but it didn't let me choose to what directory to install to, nor did it place an icon on the desktop, but those aren't a big deal. One of the first things I noticed about 0.8 PR1 is that the Office XP/2003-styled menus are applied, as Pu7o suggested a while back. While the menus look okay, they do lag somwehat compared to the standard Mozilla menus. I'm guessing that's because the PNG gradient on the menus has to be loaded everytime a menu is opened. Also, I noticed that when there are sub-menus within main the main menu structure, the directional arrow on the menu disappears. This also happens on standard Mozilla Suite and SeaMonkey builds; It's not a Donzilla problem, I'm just pointing it out.



Other than that, so far, I haven't noticed any other problems in this Donzilla release, but I haven't been using it very long. If I see anymore problems, I'll report them...

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[Don_HH2K]

Thanks for noting that. Looks like I forgot to re-copy all the appropriate settings to the new installer file, although it should have let you choose where you want to install it. I'll have to check up on that.

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[Antony]

The SillyDog701 Sidebar and HH2K Sidebars are included. Also, the preferences for new profiles have been updated: there are now a new set of bookmarks and a new set of sidebar tabs, neither of which will override existing profiles. You should be able to select the HH2K or SD701 Sidebars from within the Sidebar Tabs dropdown (although I have not checked this outside of my own profile, so it may not work right).

Well, I can't get those sidebars. I am using a new profile.



(Posting from Donzilla 0.8 PR1 under Windows 2000 Pro SP4 under Virtual PC for Mac 7.02 under Mac OS X 10.4.2 "Tiger," the platform we shall worship )

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[beanboy89]

Well, I can't get those sidebars. I am using a new profile.

Neither can I see those sidebars. I created a new profile for Donzilla 0.8 PR1.

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[Don_HH2K]

Well, I'll definitely check that out.

And I'll remember not to speed-code from the ground up too.

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[Don_HH2K]

The sidebar bug is fixed, therefore a new release is imminent.

Before that, though, Pu7o and I have found a way to restore AIM functionality to Donzilla - Pu7o confirmed that AIM Express will run inside the sidebar, and I found a way to get it to install for all users, so changes are in 0.8 Final we'll see that. I'm beginning to consider an 0.8 PR2 which I said there wouldn't be before. In the meantime, I am going to keep 0.8 PR1 a semi-public release that isn't mentioned everywhere but is still around.

If Pu7o succeeds in getting NSWebmail / AOL Mail working too, then I might go ahead and implement that as well.

Hopefully by the end of this milestone we can get the Mozilla installer working 100% for Donzilla, but so far I'm running into problems with that because I can get config.ini set up properly, but it will regress and try to download full.start from the Moz FTP server (this is the offline installer, mind you). It does look, though, like we'll need to hold out on that for awhile.

It was reccomended that I do not make a Linux installer, because UNIX enthusiasts do not like installers, so for the meantime until I can find something to suit both needs I won't include one. The Mac build, which I can hopefully get working soon (how do I even know if it's working?) will use a .iso.gz, which mounts in the same fashion as .dmg files on Mac OS X and is readable on Windows PCs (this was reccomended at the last SD701 chat).

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[Pu7o]

Well, it doesn't really run inside the sidebar, but opening the sidebar pops up the buddy list. Also, my experiences were with the old Java-based AIM Express which was much more practical and had no ads - NOT the newer Web-based one which isn't very usable and has lots of ads. To add AIM to the sidebar, simply add a http://aimexpress.oscar.aol.com/aimexpress/launch.adp to the sidebar. Screenshots will be available shortly.

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[Pu7o]

Screenshots of AIM Express under mozilla:

1. When the sidebar panel is open with AIM, the login prompt comes up

2. After logging in...

3. If you close the sidebar, AIM stays up.

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[Don_HH2K]

Of course, I will find a workaround.

What I am thinking of doing is creating a script to handle the login process. Create a document with a script in the header and two <IFRAME>s, one for the connection window and one for the applet. Once the user logs in he/she could press a button that would resize the first IFRAME to 0,0px and the second to the full width of the sidebar, then get the script to load the applet inside of IFRAME #2 instead of in a different window.

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[Don_HH2K]

0.8 PR2 is now out and corrects all the miscellanious bugs found in PR1 (many as they are). The sidebar now properly displays the SD701 and HH2K sidebars in new profiles (and is selectable for other users), the new-profile links have been updated to make sure they actually go where they're supposed to, and MoveMail support is back on Windows. They're all built on Mozilla 1.7.12, the latest stable build. If there's any word on 1.7.13 by Nov. 1, I might hold 0.8 Final for it, otherwise, Final will be .12-based.

Plus, there is now a Mac build thanks to some collaborative work with Pu7o!

Downloads:

• Donzilla 0.8 PR2 for Windows, MSI package (needs Windows Installer 2.0 or higher, tested on Windows XP SP2, 2000 SP4, NT4 SP6)
• Donzilla 0.8 PR2 for Mac OS X, gzip'ed ISO image (works like DMG, tested on OSX-x86 10.4.1)
• Donzilla 0.8 PR2 for Linux/GTK2, bzip'ed TAR image. (tested on Mandrake 10.1 and FreeBSD 6.0-RC1)

Note on installation: you may need to [tt]chmod[/tt] the Linux build on UNIX/Linux machines, as it has some whacky permissions that I can't seem to get rid of. I'm not sure if the OS X build has this problem; I assume it doesn't because CDFS doesn't have permissions like NTFS. The Windows build is known to be 100% installable out-of-the-box.

To-do:

• Interface enhancements to Chatzilla (add an HH2K style)
• Fix the Mail start page calling itself "Mozilla Mail and Newsgroups"
• (for 0.9 milestone) launch the Themes and Localizations page up at HH2K
• (for 0.9 milestone) see what we can do with Pu7o's AIM Express sidebar functionality

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