SillyDog701

[Alain-Michel]

Hello All,

For the past 2 days I've been trying to download the program with no success. I keep receiving the error: "This page cannot be viewed..." :(

The computer has just returned from the shop and regretably, 7.2 and other programs were deleted somehow.

All help, guidance and suggestions will be most gratefully received.

Many thanks for taking the time to respond! :wink:

Alain

UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)

[DJGM]

Where are you trying to download Netscape 7.2 from?

It's worth pointing out though that Netscape 7.2 is obsolete and contain security vulnerabilities that've
since been fixed in subsequent updates to the Mozilla codebase upon which Netscape 7.2 was built.

Unless you require Netscape WebMail integration, you're better off getting SeaMonkey which is an
updated version of the Mozilla Application Suite, and works in a very similar way to Netscape 7.2

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.2; en-US; rv:1.8.0.1) Gecko/20060130 SeaMonkey/1.0

[Alain-Michel]

Hi Greg,

I'm trying to load 7.2 from the SillyDog archive...

It's just that I've become so accustomed to 7.2 [for the past 2 years now]and I use the "newsgroups" and e-mail very often.

Many thanks,

Alain

UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)

[Fulvio]

Alain,
I just downloaded 7.2, the entire 24.2 MB file from the Sillydog Archives, with no problem.
I did not need it, and NS7.2 was already installed.I even started the installation, which I cancelled before I made a mess. Which link did you use?
My comment on Greg's suggestion, and the fact that you want Netscape, is hat there would be no loss in using a later program, which has the same basis. You can even use the same profile, after uninstalling NS7.2. So, if you have no NS7.2, but the profile was left untouched, you wil;l have even less to worry.
Although I have almost every program, installed in different directories, and each with a profile of its own, I feel that it is desirable to upgrade, when one program has inadequacies. Leaving Seamonkey aside, all that one needs is to get Mozilla1.7.12. Netscape7.2 is based on the same rv.as Mozilla1.7.2, so there have been ten update to Mozilla since NS7.2 came out. Another update to Mozilla is coming out soon. Seamonkey1.0 has gone one step further than Mozilla, but all these programs are very similar.
So, look in C:\Documents and Settings\user_name\Application Data\Mozilla\Profiles for a default profile. Note that those files are hidden, so you have to unhide them.
So, if you have the profile, get a newer program (you will still need the plugins, and some will have to be upgraded). If you don't have the profile, and the bookmarks.html file, and mail files backed up, you might as well go modern.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060319 Firefox/1.0.8

[DJGM]

Mozilla 1.7.12 is based upon the now outdated v1.7 branch of the Mozilla codebase.

SeaMonkey is the best way to go when upgrading from Netscape 7.x . . .

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.2; en-US; rv:1.8.0.1) Gecko/20060130 SeaMonkey/1.0

[Fulvio]

Mozilla 1.7.12 is based upon the now outdated v1.7 branch of the Mozilla codebase.

SeaMonkey is the best way to go when upgrading from Netscape 7.x . . .

The 1.7 branch is still maintained. however, I uninstalled Mozilla, and I am using Seamonkey, though. I wanted to emphasize the fact that NS7.2 is not even kept up-to-date, while Mozilla is stil. A Mozilla1.7.13 is going to come out with Firefox1.0.8.
I don't like the 1.8, for a number of reasons.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060319 Firefox/1.0.8

[DJGM]

The old 1.7.x branch is now only being maintained for security fixes, while the 1.8.x branch and higher
is where all the serious work is happening with regards to current and future Mozilla based releases.

To be honest, I don't really see that there's much point in Mozilla Suite 1.7.xx and Firefox 1.0.x now,
except for 3rd party extensions that some developers have so far been too lazy to bother updating
for the newer (and much better) SeaMonkey Suite 1.0 and Mozilla Firefox 1.5.x releases.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.2; en-US; rv:1.8.0.1) Gecko/20060130 SeaMonkey/1.0

[Alain-Michel]

Hello All,

Thank you all for your immediate replies! After some consideration, I decieded to go ahead and download the Seamonkey 1.0.

Fulvio, I just checked and I DO have a default profile.

I am in the process of setting us the mail/newsgroup section and am running into a challenge...

The password box is asking for a password:

"enter your password for [username] on POP3. [ISP].net"

I have no password and don't recall being asked to enter one in the e-mail/newsgroup set up. Don't know where to go to do this.

Alain

UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)

[Fulvio]

Do you still have an active mail account, which was in NS7.2? Or, is this a new account which you are just setting up. I never heard of any e-mail account which has no password. The password should be set up at the ISP website, and only then you can use the password.
Now, if you had a password before, you should check in your Edit|Preferences|Privacy|Password|Password Manager, and delete the old info.
All this stuff is set up the same way that you had it in NS7.2.
You do not enter a password in the set up, unless your ISP requires authentication, but you have to enter one when you first try to get mail.
It is done exactly the same way as in NS7.2

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20041220 K-Ninja/Samurai

[Alain-Michel]

Hi Fulvio,

Yes, I still have an active mail account; I accessed the Netscape e-mail account through IE a moment ago.

Let me take you step-by-step, OK?

When I begin here [http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/start/], I go to the mail/newsgroup logo in the lower lefthand corner. It asks me for a password for "username on POP3.ISP.net". I enter the password, click the box and click OK. An error says: "Sending of password did not succeed. Mail server POP3 responded. Login failed."

Also, I've just noticed that my password is not being saved, even though I check the "Use Password Manager to remember this password" box...

Many thanks,

Alain

UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)

[Fulvio]

Alain,
you said that you accressed your Netscape account from IE.
This tells me a lot and nothing at the same time. If you tried to access what is called Netscape Webmail (for good reasons, because it is normally accessed by website) through Seamonkey mail, it won't work, as it did in NS7.2. That is what Greg referred to when he said

Unless you require Netscape WebMail integration

.
But, of course, there is no mail in IE, and it would not work from Outlook Express, nor any mail client except Netscape.
You mentioned

"username on POP3.ISP.net"

. This would be valid if you had an @isp.net account.
If you meant Netscape Webmail as your mail account, you can certainly accessed it from the web. You can set it up, in mail, as a POP account, if you use a third party program, which I use.
So, in summary, what do you mean? That is why I say that your statement was telling me everything and nothing, at the same time.
You must have a way to get to mail through your ISP, or do you have one? Some explanations are needed to help you.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20041220 K-Ninja/Samurai

[Alain-Michel]

Hi Fulvio,

Currently, I do not have a Netscape 7.2. When my computer was returned from the shop everything [regarding my Netscape account] was gone. It is not "hidden" in the PROGRAN FILES or anywhere on the hard drive. it's just gone.

I was under the impression that if I just downloaded SeaMonkey 1.0, added my ISP mail info and my Netscape mail/newsgroup info that was all that was going to be necessary.

How I've accessed my "Netscape e-mail" [but not the newsgroup stuff] was just opening IE; www.msn.com, then clicking on the address, www.netscape.com. Going to the upper left corner, clicking "MAIL".

Yes, I do have an ISP and access my e-mail perfectly through it. Fulvio, I am not trying to be obtuse! I am very grateful for your help in assisting me in sorthing out the terminology and guiding me through this process.

What do you need to know from me, to make my plight a little easier for you to bear and understand?!

Many thanks!

Alain

UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)

[Fulvio]

Alain,
I may be obtuse, so bear with me.
You confirmed that you can access your ISP mail, which was not so clear before, so, you obviously, set up your account correctly. The part I don't understand is

my Netscape mail/newsgroup info

.
That is why I mentioned Netscape Webmail. So, I will have ask again what you mean by what I quoted.
Which Netscape mail, and which newsgroup, which are entirely different things. Do you mean in the Settings, or more specifically a mail and a newsgroup.
From you are saying about IE, you are accessing Netscape Webmail, and you can do the same thing from Seamonkey or any other browser. That was the point that I was trying to make, and Greg implied. There is no way that you can set up your Netscape Webmail (@netscape.net) in any programs other than NS6/7.x.
I am not going to go on, because I want to make sure that we are on the same line.
Since you don't have any folders from the past, doing what you are doing now is the best way to go.
After we get our signal straight, I can tell you how to set up Netscape Webmail in Seamonkey mail, but you will have to be able to use your ISP SMTP to send any mail.
Finally, I would like to make sure that we understand each other about the location of the hidden files, which you would not know about, unless you unhide them. They are not in Program Files, but rather in Documents and Setting\ your_name\Application Data. I have to know if you look there,

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20041220 K-Ninja/Samurai

[Alain-Michel]

Good morning/afternoon Fulvio,

No, you are not being obtuse! In the latter stages of my life, it is becomming increasingly difficult for me to keep up with technology and have often gotten lost with very little effort expended on my part.


You confirmed that you can access your ISP mail, which was not so clear before, so, you obviously, set up your account correctly.

[Correct, I do receive mail from my ISP. Have received 2 notices from Silly Dog regarding your posts]


The part I don't understand is

my Netscape mail/newsgroup info

.
That is why I mentioned Netscape Webmail. So, I will have ask again what you mean by what I quoted.
Which Netscape mail, and which newsgroup, which are entirely different things. Do you mean in the Settings, or more specifically a mail and a newsgroup.

[I mean the settings for the newsgroups and for the e-mails]

From you are saying about IE, you are accessing Netscape Webmail, and you can do the same thing from Seamonkey...

[So far, I have been unable to access Netscape Webmail on SeaMonkey. I assume that my settings are responsible?]

After we get our signal straight, I can tell you how to set up Netscape Webmail in Seamonkey mail, but you will have to be able to use your ISP SMTP to send any mail.

[I am receiving mail fine at my ISP. I've just sent myself a "test" and received same.]

Finally, I would like to make sure that we understand each other about the location of the hidden files, which you would not know about, unless you unhide them. They are not in Program Files, but rather in Documents and Setting\ your_name\Application Data. I have to know if you look there,[/quote]

[I have gone into Setting\Folder Options\View and chose the "Show hidden Files and Folders option.] When I return to Documents and Settings\my_name\Application Data, I have a Mozilla file and a Netscape file. In the Netscape file, there is a sub-folder entitled "plug-ins", that's all. In Mozilla, I have plug ins/profiles/default and a file with a number followed by ".slt".

I pray that these answers are satisfactory to you.

Alain

UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)

[Fulvio]

Hi Alain,
as you can see from the User Agent (the line at the bottom of the message), I am using Seamonkey1.0. It looks like you are using IE.
Now, and, i will have to summarize, you can access your Webmail from Ie, and you can't from Seamonkey. By this I mean, doing the same thing that you are doing in IE, or to place you at the same spot, with this URL. In other words, you don't need to go to netscape.com, and click on Mail, but go directly to the login page. With me, I enter my Webmail username and password, and my e-mail for that account opens. And, there, is a new Spam message, that Webmail handled flawlessly. I was asked, before entering the site, if I wanted to save the username/password. If I had entered the wrong combination, I would have not been allowed in. All this is basic.
So, my first question is: did you do that, and you still can't get in Webmail?
No settings, other than username/password are required.
But, it seems that you are still referring to the Mail part of Seamonkey. I will not repeat myself. I covered that, in detail, but the take home message is that Netscape Webmail cannot be set up in Seamonkey mail the same way that it is in NS7.2.
As for newsgroups, there is nothing new. You set them up in the Mail part, the way that you did in NS7.2.
I did not sign up for any newsgroups in Seamonkey, but it looks to me that there is nothing new.
Are you in the same page, if not the same line.
I am 74, and I can manage, although not without hitting my head against the wall a few times.
You don't need to quote, but if you have to, use the BBCode above the message. Click Quote, which will look like this:[Quote]. Enter the desired word, and click Quote again (it will have an asterisk).

As for the profiles, a Netscape folder would belong to a Netscape8. All Netscape6 or 7.x are in the Mozilla folder, unless you create your own folder. The default folderin the Mozilla folder, is, probably, the one which you are using in Seamonkey now. And, if you don't have any bookmarks like you had in NS7.2, everything was gone along with the program.

Please, letme know if I am too wordy. We got to get this matter straightened out.

Fulvio

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.1) Gecko/20060130 SeaMonkey/1.0