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Postby SSS » Mon 11 Jun, 2007 6:51 pm

beanboy89 wrote:Beta? From everything I've heard about the Windows version, it doesn't deserve the "beta" designation. Realistically, it could be called an alpha or pre-alpha, IMO.

In my experience, it's not as bad as some people are saying. I've had some freeze-ups here and there, and some minor errors, but I don't think it's the "buggiest browser error". And the final, I'm sure, will be better. :)
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Postby Antony » Mon 11 Jun, 2007 7:00 pm

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Safari joins iTunes in delivering Apple’s legendary user experience to both Windows and Mac users as well as full support of open Internet standards.

According to Safari 3 web page, Safari 3 Public Beta is twice as fast as Internet Explorer 7 and up to 1.6 times faster than Firefox 2.
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Postby Fulvio » Mon 11 Jun, 2007 7:35 pm

No toolbars, and no bookmarks. That's uncluttered.
I will give it one more chance. I will uninstall it, wipe out everything, and try again.
I would not mind to be able to see the toolbars, and, may be set up some preferences.
I can bring up a window next to the URL line, and that gives me the home page, and it will lock up thereafter. 100% CPU, and it took me two tries to close it.
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Postby SSS » Mon 11 Jun, 2007 7:41 pm

Fulvio wrote:No toolbars, and no bookmarks. That's uncluttered.

Odd, when I installed Safari I had the default bookmark toolbar items and the toolbars were showing up just fine. :o
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Postby Fulvio » Mon 11 Jun, 2007 7:55 pm

SSS wrote:
Fulvio wrote:No toolbars, and no bookmarks. That's uncluttered.

Odd, when I installed Safari I had the default bookmark toolbar items and the toolbars were showing up just fine. :o


May be the download was bad. I uninstalled. Did a clean install with the same download, and I got only a couple of icons to the left of the URL. apple.com loaded, but was very sparse.
I will try another download.

Separate download. Same results. since I am not prompted to do anything, I can't see what I could be doing wrong. I am keeping the stupid thing only because it insists that I close this browser to uninstall it. Pre-alpha? Not even that. But, I will accept any advice. Do they have a link to tell them my experience?
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Postby beanboy89 » Mon 11 Jun, 2007 8:21 pm

Here are a few screenshots that I've taken of Safari 3.0 beta under Windows XP:

http://billy.mozfaq.org/misc/safari3win/
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Postby orizng » Mon 11 Jun, 2007 9:06 pm

Antony wrote:According to Safari 3 web page, Safari 3 Public Beta is twice as fast as Internet Explorer 7 and up to 1.6 times faster than Firefox 2.

I dont believe it, apple even claim safari3 's HTML rendering is 3x faster than Opera, lol

anyway, even if the rendering speed is fast, the whole application, which apparently breaks the window GUI guideline by inserting user-level code to change the UI, is slow

the app eats memory like crazy, the memory usage is normally double the size of firefox, triple the size of IE/Opera.

No window shadwo under vista

require reboot after installation!?

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Postby Fulvio » Mon 11 Jun, 2007 9:41 pm

I will not even bother with this, because my entire computer got messed up, and not one page could be loaded after going back and forth from Safari and Navigator9 or Firefox2.0.0.4. I lost an entire post. I will summarize:I see something if I click on the arrow below the URL bar and the totally empty dropdowns are equivalent to something like the far left button, bottom line is indeed Exit. Fun, fun, fun.
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Postby Mandrake » Mon 11 Jun, 2007 10:44 pm

I downloaded this. I tried it out. It works. Sort of. I wouldn't call this a beta, it's more like an Alpha. It's Netscape 6.0 quality.

Hopefully they get all the bugs and quirks worked out soon enough. It's unreasonable to expect them to have it working perfectly straight away, it is the first version for for Windows after all. It is being compared against mature browsers like IE7 and Firefox 2, which have been on the market for some time and are quite solid indeed.

It'll be interesting to see the final version come October when this will launch with Leopard.
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Postby SSS » Mon 11 Jun, 2007 11:45 pm

Mandrake wrote:It'll be interesting to see the final version come October when this will launch with Leopard.

I'm sure the final release will be better. :)

I've actually tested the Safari 3.0 beta build thoroughly since I downloaded it this afternoon, and so far I haven't noticed too many problems. It's odd that other people are seeing completely different results. Maybe it depends on the different configurations? :?
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Postby Gregor » Tue 12 Jun, 2007 4:11 am

Wow, this is the buggiest thing ever putted on my comp. Check the picture what happened right after install:Image
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Postby Pu7o » Tue 12 Jun, 2007 5:10 am

Hmm... it seems to run much better on XP than on Vista.
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Postby Dr Lobster* » Tue 12 Jun, 2007 10:15 am

Antony wrote:According to Safari 3 web page, Safari 3 Public Beta is twice as fast as Internet Explorer 7 and up to 1.6 times faster than Firefox 2.


i don't know how they came to that, but it is just not true. it's not even as fast as internet explorer. i might be in the future, but right now... not true.

also, i wish they'd do something with the interface, it might look ok on the mac, but on windows it looks so out of place.
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Postby Antony » Tue 12 Jun, 2007 10:30 am

Dr Lobster* wrote:
Antony wrote:According to Safari 3 web page, Safari 3 Public Beta is twice as fast as Internet Explorer 7 and up to 1.6 times faster than Firefox 2.


i don't know how they came to that, but it is just not true. it's not even as fast as internet explorer. i might be in the future, but right now... not true.

also, i wish they'd do something with the interface, it might look ok on the mac, but on windows it looks so out of place.
They stated their testing environment, which was on a Mac.

Safari 3 web page wrote:Performance measured in seconds. Testing conducted by Apple in June 2007 on a 2.16GHz Intel Core 2 Duo-based iMac system running Windows XP Professional SP2, configured with 1GB of RAM and an ATI Radeon X1600 with 128MB of VRAM. HTML and JavaScript benchmarks based on VeriTest’s iBench Version 5.0 using default settings. Testing conducted with a beta version of Safari; all other browsers were shipping versions. Performance will vary based on system configuration, network connection, and other factors.
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Postby SSS » Tue 12 Jun, 2007 11:04 am

Dr Lobster* wrote:i don't know how they came to that, but it is just not true. it's not even as fast as internet explorer. i might be in the future, but right now... not true.

also, i wish they'd do something with the interface, it might look ok on the mac, but on windows it looks so out of place.

As the Safari web page states, performance will vary depending on your configuration.

As far as the interface goes, I disagree. I really like the user interface. Apple really did a great job making Safari for Windows looking a lot like the Macintosh version. Pretty much every dialog box uses the Aqua interface. They even added similar effects to Safari like in Mac OS X, and they even put a little subtle transparency in there. 8-)
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