SillyDog701

[Fulvio]

Safari for Windows Public Beta got over 1 million downloads in the first 48 hours that it was available. http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/06/14safari.html

Three of them were from me, who was hoping to get the darned thing to work. I never saw any Text on any toolbar, nor was I able to enter a new URL.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070515 Firefox/2.0.0.4

[Antony]

Getting back on topic, I've been using Safari a bit more in Windows. I tend to have anywhere from three to twenty tabs open at once, so I like to flick through them with Ctrl + Tab and Ctrl + Shift + Tab in Firefox. Unfortunately, Safari supports neither of these keyboards shortcuts. Is there an alternative keyboard shortcut in Safari that one can use?

Here's the screenshot of some shortcuts from shipping version of Safari on a real Mac. It might help you.


Perhaps, you need a keyboard with keys.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070515 Firefox/2.0.0.4

[Mandrake]

Getting back on topic, I've been using Safari a bit more in Windows. I tend to have anywhere from three to twenty tabs open at once, so I like to flick through them with Ctrl + Tab and Ctrl + Shift + Tab in Firefox. Unfortunately, Safari supports neither of these keyboards shortcuts. Is there an alternative keyboard shortcut in Safari that one can use?

Here's the screenshot of some shortcuts from shipping version of Safari on a real Mac. It might help you.


Perhaps, you need a keyboard with keys.

Those same shortcuts work in Windows, with the Ctrl key in place of the key and Alt in place of the Option key.

it's just you obsessive mac freaks that can't stand the thought of os x being run on anything than an overpriced hunk of apple tin!

It's quite ironic that you say that in response to both Richard Mitnick's post and my post. Neither of us use Macs. How, exactly, is one an 'obsessive mac freak' when one does not own any Macs? Troll.

"i'm a mac...i'm overpriced, proprietary, and damn heavy! (mac pro bloody is!)"

Overpriced compared to what? You're comparing an 8-core Xeon workstation to an average PC? Fool.

Bye Tidus!

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070515 Firefox/2.0.0.4

[Antony]

Perhaps the Safari Public Beta has a few more issues on Windows than Apple expected, but it's certainly popular!

More than 1 million downloads in first 48 hours! That is only counted the Windows version of Safari Public Beta.

That is, far more popular than the release of Firefox. Firefox took 6 days to reach 1 million downloads (source)

More detail at Safari for Windows Public Beta Downloads Top 1 Million in First 48 Hours (Apple press release)

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070515 Firefox/2.0.0.4

[Mandrake]

Tidus obviously can't use a computer: Behold!



Now obviously beta-quality software is going to have bugs, but Tidus just spreads so much FUD it's not even remotely funny.

The thread is of interest but the remarks by SA (aka: Tidus) should be deleted and the individual banned. They add nothing to the discussion and only introduce bad feelings which do not belong in this excellent forum.

James, I've already recommended that Antony do just that. I think Tidus just keeps coming back because he's jealous that Antony runs a sizable website with quite a few regular visitors and posters.

Tidus claims that Antony "can bully people" when Tidus comes and starts this nonsense with fake computer companies (KJC, Kitamura) and proceeds to harass and threaten members of this forum like James and Dr. Lobster.

The sooner Tidus feels the end of Antony's boot again the better!

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070515 Firefox/2.0.0.4

[Fulvio]

My final statement about Safari for Windows. I was very interested. In fact, I never downloaded any executable more than once, but I added to the Safari count by downloading Safari for Windows, three times. Four installation attempt are more than enough.
I could navigate Safari for Windows, perfectly well, when I used the links/bookmmarks which were preloaded. It was not easy, but possible. I could never enter any URL of my own, and the only crash occurred when I tried to add a bookmark.
Apparently, I am one of few who has the problem, but, on the other hand, I could not get any CDs to burn with Winamp after v.5.24. Somehow, I was able to get around the problem. But, I had something. With Safari for Windows, next to nothing.
If anyone comes up with a solution at the Apple users' newsgroup, I will be happy to let you know.

I got it! http://grupenet.com/2007/06/12/fix-font ... r-windows/
Of course, it crashed when I tried to add a Bookmark. That is a different story.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.5pre) Gecko/20070604 Firefox/2.0.0.4 Navigator/9.0b1

[Fulvio]

Adding bookmarks has the same effect as File|Exit. Otherwise, Safari for Windows renders very rapidly (it crashes very rapidly, also). Will wait for a real beta.
Also, no plugins, and bookmarks which appeared to be visible in the Imported from.. folder, under collected are nowhere to be seen.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en) AppleWebKit/522.12.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0.1 Safari/522.12.2

[Don_HH2K]

Just for the sake of it I pitted Safari against Firefox64 and IE64 at JS/Bench, since it's pretty obvious that an optimized Firefox will run more efficiently than the generic i586 ones put out by Mozilla. The point was to see whether or not an unoptimized Safari could beat an optimized IE or Firefox.

Here's the full results in zipped HTML format for those interested.

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[Fulvio]

I was able to File|Import my bookmark file of choice. However, I found at least two major weaknesses with Safari.
1. I can select several Tabs, but I see no choice to save them.
2. If I enter username/password at a site, and I am asked if I want to save the password or not, it crashes with outstanding speed. This site does not ask me, but ufaq.org does, and I have yet to be able to get anywhere with it.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en) AppleWebKit/522.12.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0.1 Safari/522.12.2

[Antony]

Just for the sake of it I pitted Safari against Firefox64 and IE64 at JS/Bench, since it's pretty obvious that an optimized Firefox will run more efficiently than the generic i586 ones put out by Mozilla. The point was to see whether or not an unoptimized Safari could beat an optimized IE or Firefox.

Interesting result.

Apple's benchmarks were based on default settings,

HTML and JavaScript benchmarks based on VeriTest’s iBench Version 5.0 using default settings.

What about the application launch time?

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070515 Firefox/2.0.0.4

[Don_HH2K]

What about the application launch time?

These figures are probably inaccurate, since I used a stopwatch for them.

Firefox64 -> 950ms
IE64 -> 800ms
Safari -> 500ms

The main difference is that, while Safari is up and running after 500ms, it lags a bit drawing the interface.

I did these while all three apps were still most likely cached in memory. I'll reboot and time a cold-start on them all later on.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.2 x64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070603 BonEcho/2.0.0.4 (mmoy CE K8N-X02)

[Antony]

What about the application launch time?

These figures are probably inaccurate, since I used a stopwatch for them.

Firefox64 -> 950ms
IE64 -> 800ms
Safari -> 500ms

Thanks, Apple's published result shows Safari 3 (Public Beta) is the faster in application launching, followed by Opera 9 (shipping), Firefox 2 (shipping) and IE 7 (shipping).


There's an interesting view on why Apple ported Safari from OS X to Windows. What's Apple's Safari strategy?

Whether 75 or 85 percent of Mac users actually use Safari is neither here nor there. Even if the Macintosh's share of the market is growing, current levels of use are not enough to encourage many web designers and developers to check that their pages work with Safari unless their target market is particularly Mac oriented or especially vocal.

I'm not going to get into a debate about which browser most closely supports the relevant standards, but as long as there are any significant differences in the way major browsers handle the code they're fed, minority browsers like Safari are going to be a nuisance that many web developers would prefer to overlook.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070515 Firefox/2.0.0.4

[Fulvio]

Speed is not the object. It trips all over itself with complex sites like slate.com, but not bad.
To me it is very important to have easy access to my Personal Toolbar Folder, and see no way to introduce it, either as Tab or as a Toolbar. The fact that I cannot open Safari with more than one Tab is a big minus.
But, what about the plugins? about:plugins indicate that I have access to all the plugins available in firefox, but, it does the following. With .pls or .mp3 files, Safari downloads them. The player does not open. With Windows Media Player file, it produces a blank page.
Example, Selecting WMP, I get this on the URL bar: http://azulweb.streamguys.com/kut1.asx
and, that's it.
I tried to send a bug report, and, as it has been doing with everything else, like customize, it instantly crashed. Well, I got the iSafari theme for Firefox, and that may have to do.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en) AppleWebKit/522.12.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0.1 Safari/522.12.2

[Gregor]

I managed to resolve the Font issue with Fulvios link. Now (at least) I am able to play with it a little bit, but still having problems with displaying bold text, so links are not usable. This is really the worst browser ever putted out for public testing. It really deserve the label Pre Alpha

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070515 Firefox/2.0.0.4

[Fulvio]

Gregor,
there is no way that the developers would have released this potentially good browser, unless they did all their testing with Macs, assuming that they would be valid with a PC only computer. But, on the other hand, pressure from above may have caused all these problems.
Just remember when Netscape6.0 was released through prressure from AOL higher ups. In their case, the betas were better than the pathetic final version.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.5pre) Gecko/20070604 Firefox/2.0.0.4 Navigator/9.0b1