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New hard drive - opinions needed

Postby Don_HH2K » Tue 24 Jun, 2008 1:38 pm

The 100GB 5400rpm hard drive in this machine is beginning to go bad, so in the coming few weeks I'm planning on replacing it. A 100GB, 7200rpm disk and a 320GB 5400rpm disk are roughly the same price, so the real lingering question is whether I should go with a larger or faster disk. I haven't run into any problems related to the capacity or the speed of the disk I use now.

I'm leaning towards the 7200rpm 100GB disk, though what worries me is the disk's higher susceptibility to vibration at faster speeds. Keep in mind that I occasionally keep my computer fully powered on while in transit between classes, meaning that the drive would need to be able to withstand me running up a flight or two of stairs. The one I have now seems to do that quite well, and as far as I know it isn't a special model that's mounted on shocks or anything. Does anybody have any insight to this particular problem?

Last, does anybody want to recommend one brand in particular? Most of the drives I have now were manufactured by Fujitsu or Maxtor, though the one dying on me now is a Fujtisu (it's barely over two years old, too) and Maxtor is now part of Seagate. That said, I've been looking at Seagate and Western Digital; Seagate has better warranty coverage (5yrs vs. 3yrs) whereas Western Digital drives generally perform better.

Thanks in advance.
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Postby PaulD » Tue 24 Jun, 2008 4:16 pm

I am partial to Western Digital, probably more for intangible reasons.

One of the graphics on this page shows a motorcycle jumper. (But I can't see a PC strapped on the bike anywhere!) Under Specifications > Environmental Specifications is "Operating Shock, Read - 65G, 2 msec". Warranties appear to be either 3 or 5-years, model dependent.

Regarding speed vs. capacity - These depend upon your applications / games / etc., vs. how much you need to have available on-line. Also consider if/how you'll be dong any external back-ups or archiving.

Is it feasible to Hibernate your computer between classes? Also, you can set a Power Option to stop the HD after a short period of inactivity
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Postby Don_HH2K » Tue 24 Jun, 2008 6:19 pm

Well, I doubt I could give a drive a 65G shock over two milliseconds and still have the data be useful to me. According to Wikipedia, humans top out around 20 to 35G instantaneously before losing consciousness. Plus, my laptop probably wouldn't survive a drop of that sort, and it's the only SATA-enabled machine I have, so getting data off the drive after totaling it would be pretty difficult.

Seagate's claiming 300G protection in operation, with 900G's while powered down... As for how true that is, I can't say, but 300 G's sounds more like a nonoperational statistic to begin with. The 7200.2 series has a freefall sensor, so I get the idea that the 300G figure takes into account that the sensor has managed to stop the disk at the time of the fall. Western Digital appears to have the sensors optionally available in their 7200rpm drives as well.

In terms of my applications, the 100gb/5400rpm has proved to be enough for now; I haven't run into problems with either factor yet. I get the idea that the difference offered by a 7200rpm drive would be more immediately noticeable, while buying a larger drive would future-proof the machine somewhat but not be particularly useful until a few years from now, and by that time I may have a new machine altogether.

I back up my drive quite frequently, though I back it up to another laptop hard drive, so I can't really say it's that effective a backup. Most of my data that's "irreplaceable" is comprised of multimedia; I have DVD backups of photos and downloaded videos, with most of my home videos still being on a drawer full of VHS and MiniDV tapes, and my music collection fully on CDs. The rest I can re-download off the Internet or reinstall from the install CDs.

I could Hibernate the machine between classes. I used to put it in Standby, but now with the charge sensor constantly reporting 0% (completely unrelated problem), the machine won't enter Standby anymore without waking up immediately after I cut the power from the wall. At this point it's more a matter of laziness that I don't outright remap my Standby key to Hibernate instead. I already have my power scheme set to turn off the disk after ten minutes of inactivity, though there's a very high chance that the disk would've spun up just as class ends, since I typically close Word and check my e-mail at that point.

Here are a couple of prices I gathered:
  • Western Digital 120GB/7200rpm - $105
  • Fujitsu 120GB/7200rpm/8mb - $100
  • Seagate 120GB/7200rpm/8mb - $100
  • Seagate 100GB/7200rpm/8mb - $95
  • Western Digital 250GB/5400rpm/ - $90
  • Hitachi 100GB/7200rpm - $80
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Postby PaulD » Tue 24 Jun, 2008 7:41 pm

If my physics and math are correct, an impulse (assuming a square wave, which is not realistic, but is what is specified) of 65G for 2 ms would accommodate a free fall of about 3.26 inches, which would occur in 0.13 sec.

So if you're thinking of dribbling this thing down the steps you'd be better off with a higher G-rating. Or, use your body as a cushion, and people will respect you as the fall guy.
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Postby Antony » Tue 24 Jun, 2008 10:35 pm

I would go for either Seagate or Western Digital and the 7200rpm rather than 5400rpm version, for the better brand name. If memory serves correctly, Seagate is quieter than Western Digital.

As for travelling between classrooms. I'd suggest you close the lid of your laptop, wait for a few seconds, then let your laptop should goes to sleep mode before travelling (if it behaves as Apple laptops do).
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Postby Don_HH2K » Tue 24 Jun, 2008 10:48 pm

Antony wrote:As for travelling between classrooms. I'd suggest you close the lid of your laptop, wait for a few seconds, then let your laptop should goes to sleep mode before travelling (if it behaves as Apple laptops do).


I have that feature disabled, actually. As I said before, I can't send the laptop into sleep or standby because of a battery problem that wakes it up immediately due to what it thinks is a low battery.
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Postby Antony » Tue 24 Jun, 2008 10:56 pm

Don_HH2K wrote:I have that feature disabled, actually. As I said before, I can't send the laptop into sleep or standby because of a battery problem that wakes it up immediately due to what it thinks is a low battery.
Oh! Try to get that problem fixed? Or try to shut down the computers first?

BTW, do you really need to use you own computer in the class?
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Postby Don_HH2K » Tue 24 Jun, 2008 11:02 pm

After my previous encounter with HP tech support, I'm not sending my laptop back again. :shock:

I don't really need to use a computer in class, though sometimes the extra resource can help. Being able to look things up on Google rather than in a textbook often turns out to be much faster, and sometimes more informative.
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Postby Antony » Wed 25 Jun, 2008 11:58 am

What about solid state drive?
You (and Mark) were talking about it in your Podcast.
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Postby Don_HH2K » Wed 25 Jun, 2008 12:01 pm

Nah, those are still way too expensive to be useful.
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Postby Happy Dude » Sat 05 Jul, 2008 9:38 pm

I'd buy the 320GB one, only for the space... :D
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