SillyDog701

[Purple Lizard]

I was thinking about the new partnership between Intel and Apple Computer and was wondering about the upgrade options. Where as before it was difficult to find a "retail" G4/5 to upgrade the cpu of a Mac. When the new x86
Macs come out will I be able to go into my local computer store buy a new pentium cpu go home and fit it to an x86 mac? Any thoughts?

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[Antony]

I was thinking about the new partnership between Intel and Apple Computer and was wondering about the upgrade options. Where as before it was difficult to find a "retail" G4/5 to upgrade the cpu of a Mac. When the new x86
Macs come out will I be able to go into my local computer store buy a new pentium cpu go home and fit it to an x86 mac? Any thoughts?

According to Apple's style, it won't be any easier.
Perhaps, more retailers would provide upgrades for x86 Macs, but Apple won't support it.

If you want a Mac, you need to buy it from Apple. You won't be able to build a Mac yourself. Apple has implemented strong protection for Macs.

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[Purple Lizard]

I was thinking about the new partnership between Intel and Apple Computer and was wondering about the upgrade options. Where as before it was difficult to find a "retail" G4/5 to upgrade the cpu of a Mac. When the new x86
Macs come out will I be able to go into my local computer store buy a new pentium cpu go home and fit it to an x86 mac? Any thoughts?

According to Apple's style, it won't be any easier.
Perhaps, more retailers would provide upgrades for x86 Macs, but Apple won't support it.

If you want a Mac, you need to buy it from Apple. You won't be able to build a Mac yourself. Apple has implemented strong protection for Macs.

I thought this would be Apple's position on the matter. It wouldn't seem like them to just offer the ability to build a Mac of your own.

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[Pu7o]

I was thinking about the new partnership between Intel and Apple Computer and was wondering about the upgrade options. Where as before it was difficult to find a "retail" G4/5 to upgrade the cpu of a Mac. When the new x86
Macs come out will I be able to go into my local computer store buy a new pentium cpu go home and fit it to an x86 mac? Any thoughts?

According to Apple's style, it won't be any easier.
Perhaps, more retailers would provide upgrades for x86 Macs, but Apple won't support it.

If you want a Mac, you need to buy it from Apple. You won't be able to build a Mac yourself. Apple has implemented strong protection for Macs.

But how about if you buy an Intel Mac, and simply upgrade the processor? (keeping everything else the same) There's no feasible reason for a processor upgrade to be less simple than upgrading RAM or getting a bigger Hard drive.

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[Purple Lizard]

I was thinking about the new partnership between Intel and Apple Computer and was wondering about the upgrade options. Where as before it was difficult to find a "retail" G4/5 to upgrade the cpu of a Mac. When the new x86
Macs come out will I be able to go into my local computer store buy a new pentium cpu go home and fit it to an x86 mac? Any thoughts?

According to Apple's style, it won't be any easier.
Perhaps, more retailers would provide upgrades for x86 Macs, but Apple won't support it.

If you want a Mac, you need to buy it from Apple. You won't be able to build a Mac yourself. Apple has implemented strong protection for Macs.

But how about if you buy an Intel Mac, and simply upgrade the processor? (keeping everything else the same) There's no feasible reason for a processor upgrade to be less simple than upgrading RAM or getting a bigger Hard drive.

True, thats what I was getting at.

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[Antony]

But how about if you buy an Intel Mac, and simply upgrade the processor? (keeping everything else the same) There's no feasible reason for a processor upgrade to be less simple than upgrading RAM or getting a bigger Hard drive.

RAMs and HDDs are designed can be upgraded by customers (customer self-serviceable parts), not CPU.

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[Purple Lizard]

But how about if you buy an Intel Mac, and simply upgrade the processor? (keeping everything else the same) There's no feasible reason for a processor upgrade to be less simple than upgrading RAM or getting a bigger Hard drive.

RAMs and HDDs are designed can be upgraded by customers (customer self-serviceable parts), not CPU.

Why?

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[Don_HH2K]

Guaranteed they're using a standard Intel processor, then the processor should be removable. Most socket-based processors have a small arm on the side that you can pull up, which will pop the CPU out. From there, you can replace the CPU to any other Intel processor that's supported by the chipset and BIOS. Guaranteed that you use the same processor technology (which would be some brand of EM64T-enabled P4, of course), you should be able to replace it easily and have it work.

There's also the chance that Intel made different boards for the x86 Macs, to which the processor is irremovable. Such a scenario, it should be noted, is extremely unlikely, since just about all x86 boards since the Pentium line have featured a removable CPU. Furthermore, that would make it harder for Intel to develop the boards and processors in the first place, since with every new CPU, they'd need to make a new board.

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[Purple Lizard]

Yes, but thnking about it, does anyone actually know, if non-removable components may have been part of the Intel-Apple deal? I know it's unlikely but still..

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[Antony]

Yes, but thnking about it, does anyone actually know, if non-removable components may have been part of the Intel-Apple deal? I know it's unlikely but still..

The CPU to be used in upcoming X86 Mac could be removable, however, I highly doubt you can get it directly from Intel. If Apple does allow CPU to be customer upgradeable (which I personally highly doubt this), it will be available through official Apple channel, i.e. Authorised Apple Service Centre.

Apple does allows customers to upgrade/install RAMs, HDDs or replace Superdrives etc and AirPort/Bluetooth kits in certain models, as long as customers use compatible specification, hence the Apple warranty for the Mac still covers.

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[Mandrake]

It'll just be an Intel based system running the Mac OS. Upgrading the processor would be as easy as any other Intel based system.

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[Purple Lizard]

It'll just be an Intel based system running the Mac OS. Upgrading the processor would be as easy as any other Intel based system.

I hope so, also this approach may prove better in the long run for Apple.

If they do make their x86 systems User upgradeable, then the chances are that lots of enthusiasts will buy Apple products if they can upgrade and tweak their systems. I know I would

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[Capper308]

I was just wondering about video support in OSx86. From what i've read, you MUST Have Intel Media Accelarator 900 built into your chipset. What happens after the release of the Intel version of these Macs? No offense but that hardware is less than powerfull. I really think that the Intel macs are going to do very well when they are released, and it won't be long before there is enough software/games to lure unhapy windoze users to them. So the whole point of my story is that somebody will want to upgrade thier video card at some point, (PCI-express maybe?) Will there be drivers for them to support QE and CI? I have heard of computers quite similar to mine running OSx86 quite nicely with the exception of QE and CI. So if they (Apple) allow/offer-support-for, better video cards, then don't you think that the hacker community will jump all over those drivers and release working versions to people running pirated OSx86 Systems? In effect letting you have a FULLY supported Mac at 1/3rd the price? Which brings me to another point. Macs cost a lot of money. You can build a fully supported OSx86 Mac for under $400cad.
Why would anyone spend $1800 - $2500 or more for $400 of intel hardware? Just my 2 cents.

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[Antony]

So the whole point of my story is that somebody will want to upgrade thier video card at some point, (PCI-express maybe?) Will there be drivers for them to support QE and CI? I have heard of computers quite similar to mine running OSx86 quite nicely with the exception of QE and CI. So if they (Apple) allow/offer-support-for, better video cards, then don't you think that the hacker community will jump all over those drivers and release working versions to people running pirated OSx86 Systems? In effect letting you have a FULLY supported Mac at 1/3rd the price? Which brings me to another point. Macs cost a lot of money. You can build a fully supported OSx86 Mac for under $400cad.
Why would anyone spend $1800 - $2500 or more for $400 of intel hardware? Just my 2 cents.

Just to point out as a real Mac user, Mac has always been upgradeable, admittedly upgrading a Mac is not as cheap as on a PC.

What hackers would do is another question. From the past, there has always been upgrade cards available. Apple and other major software companies have never endorsed those, but from user reports, they worked.

As for Mac's cost... in short, I disagree that its a lot more expensive then PCs. The price tag might be a bit higher, but overall cost is not. We shall leave the pricing and PC vs Mac debate on [sdt=3930]this debate thread[/sdt].

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