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by **geffr** » Sat 20 Dec, 2008 9:41 pm

Al, thanks for the info! I'd never heard of kernel X before.

Before I install kernel X, have you had any issues with it? My Win 98 box is still pretty important to me, & format C would suck!

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.8.1.20) Gecko/20081217 Firefox/2.0.0.20

by Al » Sat 20 Dec, 2008 10:23 pm

You should back up your data in case something goes wrong with the installation. It makes Windows 98 run Firefox 3 pretty well. The only downside is that font smoothing needs to be enabled for the text to show up.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.5) Gecko/2008120122 Firefox/3.0.5

by **ncd** » Sun 21 Dec, 2008 9:55 am

profman wrote:Note that, although version 2.0.0.19 will have updated security fixes, it also removes the antiphishing protection.

This matter is discussed in several on-line articles, one of which is listed below.

Mozilla to pull antiphishing feature from Firefox 2.0 at Google's request

Google requested that the antiphishing feature be turned off in version 2.0.0.19. Firefox 2.0.0.x versions evidently rely upon the obsolete version 1 of SafeBrowsing which pings servers maintained by Google. There are reports that Google will eventually disable the older SafeBrowsing protocol. This implies, to me, that all Firefox 2.0.0.x versions will eventually loose their antiphishing feature.

Firefox 3.04 and 3.05 will continue to have a working antiphishing feature since they use version 2.x of the SafeBrowsing protocol.

Profman,

Much thanks for the detailed analysis. My solution (temporarily) is to load up an addon (extension) called FirePhish, which should do for now. Longterm? Probably move to SeaMonkey or K-Meleon. Too many things in FireFox 3.xxx that I don't appreciate (it ain't the lean and mean browser it started out as).

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.20) Gecko/20081217 Firefox/2.0.0.20

by **Fulvio** » Sun 21 Dec, 2008 12:56 pm

ain't the lean and mean browser it started out as

I don't recall when Firefox has been lean and mean, if ever. But, an user can make it considerably leaner by avoiding add-ons, and tabs. But, I have 10 add-ons installed in 3.0.5, and uses nearly 90MB of memory. I have not used Kmeleon in a couple of years, so I don't know how it is doing now. And, Seamonkey is not even accepted by some backward websites!
In my experience, Firefox 3.0.x is fine. I am testing 3.1 beta2, and found it quite fast, but it has hardly any compatible add-ons which I care for.
If you want something which moves, try Opera.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.5) Gecko/2008120122 Firefox/3.0.5

by **ncd** » Mon 22 Dec, 2008 11:47 pm

Fulvio wrote:
ain't the lean and mean browser it started out as

I don't recall when Firefox has been lean and mean, if ever. But, an user can make it considerably leaner by avoiding add-ons, and tabs. But, I have 10 add-ons installed in 3.0.5, and uses nearly 90MB of memory. I have not used Kmeleon in a couple of years, so I don't know how it is doing now. And, Seamonkey is not even accepted by some backward websites!
In my experience, Firefox 3.0.x is fine. I am testing 3.1 beta2, and found it quite fast, but it has hardly any compatible add-ons which I care for.
If you want something which moves, try Opera.

FF 1.5 was not bad in the fast and lean department. As for K-Meleon, it has changed quite a bit with its new macro scripting language which gives you executables to install extensions, albeit very few in comparison to Firefox.

Personally I am still using FF 2.xxx and thinking about Opera (but it is definitely a learned experience... stiill too quirky in its keystrokes unless you love it). FF2's extensions that I use are not all available on FF3.xx, so that, among the other new "awesome" features make me leary of this latest FF incarnation. As for Seamonkey, like K-Meleon, I use FF user agent strings to get into sites that otherwise only recognize FF and IE. <shrug>

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.19) Gecko/20081201 Firefox/2.0.0.19

by **geffr** » Tue 23 Dec, 2008 1:04 am

I really like Opera with 2 caveats:

1. I can't imagine browsing without No Script.

2. I prefer the FF interface (especially with the discontinued Pinball skin).

Opera does seem a bit faster & less of a memory hog.

I have both on my system, as there are a FEW sites that are problematic on FF & Opera will usually render them (& vice versa).

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.5) Gecko/2008120122 Firefox/3.0.5

by **vipergg** » Tue 23 Dec, 2008 9:48 pm

geffr wrote:My concern is security holes that won't be patched. Opera 9.x won't run on 98 (though they say it will), & we won't discuss ie...........

I am on 98SE.

Yeah that does make it harder as there is still a lot of us older OS users out there that can't runn FF3 . I'm still running ME . Though I must say Opera 9.63 runs pretty well on ME so we will see how long Opera supports 98 and ME . Opera certainly seems a little faster than FF 2 . Using it as we speak . Tried Seamonkey but it kept crashing with too many DLL errors . It also settled down FF from crashing once I removed Seamonkey.

UserAgent: Opera/9.63 (Windows ME; U; en) Presto/2.1.1

by **ncd** » Tue 31 Mar, 2009 8:52 pm

geffr wrote:I really like Opera with 2 caveats:

1. I can't imagine browsing without No Script.

2. I prefer the FF interface (especially with the discontinued Pinball skin).

Opera does seem a bit faster & less of a memory hog.

I have both on my system, as there are a FEW sites that are problematic on FF & Opera will usually render them (& vice versa).

geffr,

FWIW, someone over at Mozilla has continued to put out nightlies with bug fixes for FireFox 2.

The latest is FF 2.0.0.22pre and is called Bon Echo (the original project code name for FF when it was in development). I've loaded it up with no problems. It is based upon Thunderbird which still uses the Gecko 1.8.1 engine which was used by FF2.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.20) Gecko/20081217 Firefox/2.0.0.20

by **Fulvio** » Wed 01 Apr, 2009 12:25 pm

It is based upon Thunderbird which still uses the Gecko 1.8.1 engine which was used by FF2]. Firefox based on Thunderbird?

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.8) Gecko/2009032609 Firefox/3.0.8

by **J-M** » Thu 02 Apr, 2009 3:04 pm

Really, to old, unsupported FF2 level??

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10.4; en-US; rv:1.9.0.8) Gecko/2009032608 Firefox/3.0.8

by **ncd** » Fri 10 Apr, 2009 9:18 pm

J-M wrote:Really, to old, unsupported FF2 level??

FF2 with the latest bug fixes is at FF3.08 or FF3.09 pre levels. Whether or not that continues is a matter decided when Thunderbird moves off of the Gecko 1.8.1 platform.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.20) Gecko/20081217 Firefox/2.0.0.20

by **Fulvio** » Sun 26 Apr, 2009 4:15 pm

I did not notice my error in my previous reply, and one can't correct mistakes after 701 minutes ( a silly rule, I will say again. My reply should have been:

It is based upon Thunderbird which still uses the Gecko 1.8.1 engine which was used by FF2.

Firefox based on Thunderbird?

I was questioning the statement that Firefox was bsed on Thunderbird, while it meant, only that the Gecko engine was the same. As for the program Firefox and Thunderbird are apples and oranges.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.9) Gecko/2009040821 Firefox/3.0.9 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729)

by **geffr** » Tue 28 Apr, 2009 5:38 am

ncd wrote:
geffr wrote:I really like Opera with 2 caveats:

1. I can't imagine browsing without No Script.

2. I prefer the FF interface (especially with the discontinued Pinball skin).

Opera does seem a bit faster & less of a memory hog.

I have both on my system, as there are a FEW sites that are problematic on FF & Opera will usually render them (& vice versa).

geffr,

FWIW, someone over at Mozilla has continued to put out nightlies with bug fixes for FireFox 2.

The latest is FF 2.0.0.22pre and is called Bon Echo (the original project code name for FF when it was in development). I've loaded it up with no problems. It is based upon Thunderbird which still uses the Gecko 1.8.1 engine which was used by FF2.

NCD, I just saw your post. Could you please post a link to the new 2.x nightlies? Since my original post, my 98 box is semi retired (it's become mostly a multi media machine), but I'd still like to have the safest browser on there.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.9) Gecko/2009040821 Firefox/3.0.9 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729)

by **geffr** » Tue 05 May, 2009 9:15 am

For those who need it, I answered my own question. 2.0.0.22 is here:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/ ... ozilla1.8/

I've only used it a little bit, but it seems stable.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.10) Gecko/2009042316 Firefox/3.0.10 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729)

by **geffr** » Sat 30 May, 2009 4:59 pm

The link for 2.0.0.22pre above has been moved here:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/ ... ozilla1.8/

BTW, it's quite stable, been using it on my win98 box since the post above.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.8.1.22pre) Gecko/20090415 BonEcho/2.0.0.22pre

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