SillyDog701

[Ralph2]

I upgraded to version 2 but now I have both copies. Seems there is no "remove previous version" button, or at least I did not find it.
But... all my shortcuts still use version 1.1 and after a reboot can not even find version2

Can anyone point to a how to install over previous version and remove version 1.1 without loosing all my mail and bookmarks tutorial?
I am going to reinstall version 2... perhaps I missed something.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.23) Gecko/20090825 SeaMonkey/1.1.18

[Amrad]

Hello Ralph,

I upgraded to version 2 but now I have both copies. Seems there is no "remove previous version" button, or at least I did not find it.
But... all my shortcuts still use version 1.1 and after a reboot can not even find version2

Can anyone point to a how to install over previous version and remove version 1.1 without loosing all my mail and bookmarks tutorial?
I am going to reinstall version 2... perhaps I missed something.

Whatever else you do, do not install SeaMonkey 2.0 over SeaMonkey 1.x, that is bound to cause problems!

SeaMonkey 2.0 is, by default installed into a different location than SeaMonkey 1.x. The respective locations are:

SeaMonkey 1.x:

C:\Program Files \ mozilla.org \ SeaMonkey

SeaMonkey 2.0:

C:\Program Files \ SeaMonkey

And their respective profiles are:

SeaMonkey 1.x:

C:\Documents and Settings \ <User Name> \ Application Data \ Mozilla \ Profiles \ Default \ xxxxxxxx.slt (where 'xxxxxxxx' is an 8 character random string)

SeaMonkey 2.0:

C:\Documents and Settings \ <User Name> \ Application Data \ Mozilla \ SeaMonkey \ Profiles \ xxxxxxxx.<Profile Name> (initially probably 'Default')

When you installed SM 2.0, did you have SM 1.x completely closed, including Quick Launch? The fact that your desktop shortcuts are still pointing to SM 1.x suggests that Quick Launch was probably running when you tried to install SM 2.0!

What I would suggest is to first back up your SM 1.x profile, as a precaution. That is, the xxxxxxxx.slt file and all its subfolders.

If you try to re-install SM 2.0 and there are still any files in the profile created on your first attempt, they could cause problems. To avoid that, delete the SeaMonkey folder and all it's subfolders in the SM 2.0 profile, as shown above.

You can then re-instal SM 2.0, following the instructions to the letter! In particular, ensure that you install it into the default location.

During the install process, you should be given the opportunity to import your mail, boookmarks address book and settings etc., with at least these options:

SeaMonkey 1.x, Netscape 6/7 or Mozilla 1.x
Don't import anything.

You should check the first option "SeaMonkey 1.x, Netscape 6/7 or Mozilla 1.x"!

Hopefully, that will resolve your problems, if not, post back with the results.

On successful migration of your old profile, you will still have SM 1.x on your PC but all your mail will have been moved to the SM 2.0 profile! You can either remove SM 1.x (using the Add/Remove programs option in Control Panel) or just leave it, it won't cause any problems, but don't try running then both at the same time, not without taking the necessary steps to allow them to run simultaneously!

Regards,

Dave.

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[PaulD]

Mozilla documentation: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_SeaMonkey, specifically Section 3.

Also see posts by Fulvio on other threads: [sdp=98430]Oct. 28[/sdp], and [sdp=98437]Oct. 29[/sdp].

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.14) Gecko/2009082707 Firefox/3.0.14

[Ralph2]

Thanks for the help / advice. What a nightmare, I must say the development team did not spend much time on the instructions.. or spent too much time hiding them.

Part of my problem (I think) is due to the fact my profiles are on "D" and SeaMonkey can not find them. I have it working... I think, but it required jumping through some hoops.

Installing v2 with version 1 removed installs a blank default suite with no request to update nothing. So.. I used Mozbackup (after updating to 1.4.9 as my version could not see Seamonkey v2) to restore my profile. Everything seems to have made the transfer... except my passwords..

The other issue yet to be resolved is that any URL shortcuts on my desktop now give me a Windows error message.. about not being able to open the page... then the page opens. This seems to stop the second time around so perhaps it will work itself right.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 SeaMonkey/2.0

[Amrad]

Hello Ralph,

Thanks for the help / advice.

You're welcome.

What a nightmare, I must say the development team did not spend much time on the instructions.. or spent too much time hiding them.

Yes, quite a few people have had problems because the installation instructions aren't very clear!

Part of my problem (I think) is due to the fact my profiles are on "D" and SeaMonkey can not find them. I have it working... I think, but it required jumping through some hoops.

Yes, I suspect it expects to find things in the default locations.

Installing v2 with version 1 removed installs a blank default suite with no request to update nothing.

Yes, that's normal behaviour. If it can't find an older installation, there's nothing to import, so it doesn't launch the Migration Wizard.

So.. I used Mozbackup (after updating to 1.4.9 as my version could not see Seamonkey v2) to restore my profile. Everything seems to have made the transfer... except my passwords.

The reason for that is because SM 2.0 uses a different file type (SQLite) for the passwords (and cookies, downloads, etc.) than SM 1.x. If you had been able to use the SM 2.0 Migration Wizard, you would have got your passwords.

It might still be possible to do that if you still have the backup of your old profile, xxxxxxxx.slt but without the mail subfolders, since your mail has already been imported! I think you would need to install it on drive C in Documents and Settings \ <Username> \ Application Data \ Mozilla \ default

Having done that, with all SeaMonkeys completely closed, go to Start \ Run and type:

"C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe" -migration

Include the quote marks and ensure that there is a space before '-migration'.

Hopefully, that will import your passwords and possibly other things that use the new file type.

The other issue yet to be resolved is that any URL shortcuts on my desktop now give me a Windows error message.. about not being able to open the page... then the page opens. This seems to stop the second time around so perhaps it will work itself right.

I'm afraid I don't have any suggestions for that, sorry!

Hope the above is of some help to you.

Regards,

Dave.

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[Ralph2]

Thanks for the migration script and the information that the file format had changed.. I would have spent a lot more time trying to solve the puzzle without that information. Anyway I have it resolved now... and for what it is worth here is what I had to do.

Uninstall all versions of Seamonkey. (I also removed some entries in the registry but do not think that made any difference as attemps to install version 2 at that point still did not let me run the migration wizzard)
Move profile from D to default location in C, rename to default if required
Reinstall SeaMonkey 1.1x it correctly picks up profile
Shutdown SeaMonkey.. use taskmanager to ensure no SeaMonkey is running
Install SeaMonkey 2. Installs with default page
Run command line script "C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe" -migration
migration wizzard starts and offers to import all setting etc..

URL shortcuts on desktop bring Windows error message " Windows can not find 'http://www.xxxx make sure you typed the name correctly.... The page will in fact open and the error message seems to go away after awhile

This whole process should not have been so complicated... if I may make a suggestion.. upgrade the installation instructions. And an even better solution would be to have an "import" selection under Tools or Window.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 SeaMonkey/2.0

[Amrad]

Hello Ralph,

Thanks for the migration script and the information that the file format had changed.

You're very welcome.

I would have spent a lot more time trying to solve the puzzle without that information.

I don't doubt it!

Anyway I have it resolved now...

I'm pleased to hear that.

This whole process should not have been so complicated...

I agree, though for some people, it worked without a problem, quite why that is, I really don't know.

...if I may make a suggestion.. upgrade the installation instructions.

At the very least!

And an even better solution would be to have an "import" selection under Tools or Window.

Yes, I think there should be an Import option. There used to be one in the Mozilla Suite but not SeaMonkey, if I remember correctly.

Regards,

Dave.

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[Fulvio]

I have replied to a similar post, by, probably, the same person, at another site. Thinking that it took about three years to come out with 2.0, I am not surprised that the results are not so good. I got the same problem, but in the opposite way., and was able to fix everything by renaming the shortcuts, and pointing them ( -p switch) to the appropriate profile.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 SeaMonkey/2.0

[PaulD]

Re: "Windows can not find ..."
This Firefox-reported situation looks promising. Note also the last post in the last (389502) Bug report (Section 5).

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[Fulvio]

I have replied to a similar post, by, probably, the same person, at another site. Thinking that it took about three years to come out with 2.0, I am not surprised that the results are not so good. I got the same problem, but in the opposite way., and was able to fix everything by renaming the shortcuts, and pointing them ( -p switch) to the appropriate profile.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 SeaMonkey/2.0

[cciaffone]

"The reason for that is because SM 2.0 uses a different file type (SQLite) for the passwords (and cookies, downloads, etc.) than SM 1.x. "

Right. So it should be simple to look at the sm 2 profile and tell whether
it was in fact "migrated" to the new sm 2 file type, or whether sm 2 is
just using a copy of the sm 1.1.18 profile.

How can I do that???

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 SeaMonkey/2.0

[Fulvio]

How can I do that???

Just by looking at the files mentioned in your quotation. I don't see that there would be an automation migration. But, in my case, I have been testing 2.0 for years, so I had everything I needed. For a newcomer it may be quite a laborious process.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091102 Firefox/3.5.5

[PaulD]

By "How ..." do you mean "Where are they?" The files are within their respective Profiles. Navigate your way to them (using Explorer) and look at them.

Can you be more specific in your question?

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[Edward]

I am not having any issues with SM 2.0 under Windows. I don't think this can be stressed enough - when installing a new version of the same program, whether it be Firefox, SeaMonkey, or something else, it is always best to uninstall the old version first, then install the new version.

Unless a software vendor specifically indicates to install a new version of their product on top of a previous version (meaning the upgrade/new version was designed to be installed like that), it is best to uninstall the old, first.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091017 SeaMonkey/2.0

[Amrad]

Hello Edward,

I am not having any issues with SM 2.0 under Windows. I don't think this can be stressed enough - when installing a new version of the same program, whether it be Firefox, SeaMonkey, or something else, it is always best to uninstall the old version first, then install the new version.

As far as the Mozilla Suite (at least, to the best of my recollection) and SeaMonkey are concerned, it has always been possible to install a new minor version release on top of an earlier version. The exception to that was when installing a major version release, e.g. when going from the Mozilla Suite 1.7.x to SeaMonkey 1.0 and (again, if I remember correctly) from SeaMonkey 1.0 to 1.1.

SeaMonkey 2.0 is an unique case in that it installs to a different location (both the program files and the profile) than SM 1.1.x, so it is perfectly acceptable to install SM 2.0 without first uninstalling 1.1.x.

Unless a software vendor specifically indicates to install a new version of their product on top of a previous version (meaning the upgrade/new version was designed to be installed like that),...

Which is, in fact, the case with the Mozilla Suite and SeaMonkey.

...it is best to uninstall the old, first.

I have (nearly) always installed new releases on top of earlier versions, except for the cases mentioned, without any problems, including SeaMonkey 2.0.

Regards,

Dave.

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